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Hulk

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Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.
 
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Aside from the 13900KS, aren't those all just rebranded Alder Lake though?
Intels always done this in the low end of their CPU hierarchy. It is a way to sell to the mass consumer marketplace but they used the last iGPUs. Intel is force to used the current iGPU this time around since both are the same price to produce now!
 

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If we are lucky, we may get to see a RPL-R KS clocking at 6.5 GHz boost.
News of a RPL refresh is very disappointing. I thought Intel seemed to be getting back on track, but this seems like a regression to the Skylake refresh days. Simply adding a few hundred mhz when power usage is already a problem does not impress me at all.
 

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Well gents I just bought a 13900k, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero and some G.Skill Trident Z5 DDR5 6600 to replace my frustrating experience with X570 w/5950x. Hope to have all the parts in before Christmas so I can swap it out.

Nice. Looks like a great build. What was up with the 5950X?
 

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News of a RPL refresh is very disappointing. I thought Intel seemed to be getting back on track, but this seems like a regression to the Skylake refresh days. Simply adding a few hundred mhz when power usage is already a problem does not impress me at all.

Can't really expect much in a refresh. It's what we used to call a stepping I think. Still though if clocks go up at the same power then you can back off power and get higher clocks than we have now at lower power.
 

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RPL-R meaning Raptor Lake Refresh. They will have a 14900K. Hopefully, a 14900KS too, until Arrow Lake is ready for action.
7950X at 5.8 Ghz vs 14900KS at 6.5 Ghz, that's a 12% difference. Would be a close match till MTL-S late 2024. But MTL would have to bring more than impressive IPC boost to counter the obvious speed regression that is bound to take place.
 

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Nice. Looks like a great build. What was up with the 5950X?
My gigabyte X570 aorus master is dying after enduring horrible support from them on a multitude of issues like random usb shutdowns (windows power management turned off), double pump posts and ftpm stuttering. When the usb acts up it knocks out the argb ports on the board. Two weeks ago I was just looking in the side panel when the mb argb lights failed and my board suddenly went dark but it kept on running and the qcode still indicates.

I've been wrestling with it but I'm not going to run it till failure. I'll just sell the 5950x and 5900x cpu's I have. Both are only a few months old and the 5900x only ran a few days while the 5950x was out for RMA.

The ryzens themselves are great but I'm not spending another penny on this platform nor am I willing to buy into an even more expensive AMD platform when they couldn't support this one during my 3 years on it.

Same can be said of my XFX Speedster MERC 319 RX 6900 XT black GPU that randomly turns off my 2nd monitor while in use. Imagine watching a video and have the monitor suddenly go away. Some time before this one I had a 5000 series card and it had crazy white flashes while playing a game so back it went and no rtx 3080/90 cards were available when I need a card so I ended up with it.
 

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My gigabyte X570 aorus master is dying after enduring horrible support from them on a multitude of issues like random usb shutdowns (windows power management turned off), double pump posts and ftpm stuttering. When the usb acts up it knocks out the argb ports on the board. Two weeks ago I was just looking in the side panel when the mb argb lights failed and my board suddenly went dark but it kept on running and the qcode still indicates.

I've been wrestling with it but I'm not going to run it till failure. I'll just sell the 5950x and 5900x cpu's I have. Both are only a few months old and the 5900x only ran a few days while the 5950x was out for RMA.

The ryzens themselves are great but I'm not spending another penny on this platform nor am I willing to buy into an even more expensive AMD platform when they couldn't support this one during my 3 years on it.

Same can be said of my XFX Speedster MERC 319 RX 6900 XT black GPU that randomly turns off my 2nd monitor while in use. Imagine watching a video and have the monitor suddenly go away. Some time before this one I had a 5000 series card and it had crazy white flashes while playing a game so back it went and no rtx 3080/90 cards were available when I need a card so I ended up with it.

Ugh! You've have some bad luck. Those type of issues are so frustrating.
 

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If we are lucky, we may get to see a RPL-R KS clocking at 6.5 GHz boost.
It took them two steppings and process changes to eek 500MHz out of Alder Lake -> Raptor Lake. Even if they do another stepping and further tweaks, extremely unlikely we'll see the same from a Raptor Lake refresh.
 

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It took them two steppings and process changes to eek 500MHz out of Alder Lake -> Raptor Lake. Even if they do another stepping and further tweaks, extremely unlikely we'll see the same from a Raptor Lake refresh.
Is is even possible that the REAL improvement is less than 500 MHz.
 
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You never know what kind of process tweaks could be in the works. I'm sure they are doing whatever they can for "total domination" in their own words. I think Raptor Lake has shown us that Intel has lots of tricks up their sleeves to make a compelling product for gamers. They have the resources to do really crazy stuff if push comes to shove.
 

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Intel is planning to refresh its desktop processor product stack with new "Raptor Lake Refresh" SKUs in Q3-2023, according to a leaked roadmap. At this point it's unclear if these are just new SKUs within the 13th Gen Core desktop product stack, or if they'll form the 14th Gen Core family, much in the same way as "Coffee Lake Refresh" formed the 9th Gen Core, replacing the 8th Gen Core "Coffee Lake." At this point we don't know what constitutes "Raptor Lake Refresh," but it provides Intel's product managers with the opportunity to increase CPU core-counts across the product stack without needing a new silicon (the Raptor Lake silicon has 8 P-cores and 16 E-cores), slightly higher clock-speeds, and other improvements. We don't know if this will herald a new CPU socket or platform at this point, either.

The most interesting item in this leaked roadmap slide has to be the reference to the "mainstream workstation" segment, with products in the 250 W TDP bracket. The so-called "Sapphire Rapids 64L" could be a cut-down version of the "Sapphire Rapids" enterprise processor on a new socket, backed by the Intel W790 chipset. The "64L" part of the codename could be a reference to its PCIe Gen 5 lane count of 64, which is less than the 112 available to the full "Sapphire Rapids" silicon in its W-3400 product-stack. It's unclear if these processors feature a Core X branding like their predecessors from the "Cascade Lake-X" family, or Xeon W. Besides fewer PCIe lanes, Intel could also segment these chips with fewer DDR5 memory channels, though both the PCIe and DDR5 connectivity will be much wider than those of the "Raptor Lake-S" mainstream desktop processors.

https://www.techpowerup.com/302118/...rs-for-q3-2023-sapphire-rapids-64l-hedt-in-q1

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I am waiting for the Entry Workstation category 65W - Raptor Lake Refresh in Q3 of 2023 to be released and then jump on the 65W Raptor Lake S CPU to finally purchase. :)
 
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Intel is planning to refresh its desktop processor product stack with new "Raptor Lake Refresh" SKUs in Q3-2023, according to a leaked roadmap. At this point it's unclear if these are just new SKUs within the 13th Gen Core desktop product stack, or if they'll form the 14th Gen Core family, much in the same way as "Coffee Lake Refresh" formed the 9th Gen Core, replacing the 8th Gen Core "Coffee Lake." At this point we don't know what constitutes "Raptor Lake Refresh," but it provides Intel's product managers with the opportunity to increase CPU core-counts across the product stack without needing a new silicon (the Raptor Lake silicon has 8 P-cores and 16 E-cores), slightly higher clock-speeds, and other improvements.
You can bet they will be 14900 Series CPUs
 

Hulk

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You can bet they will be 14900 Series CPUs

That will be disappointing since Raptor is really a refresh of Alder. Refresh of a refresh. Kind of like the old 14nm + + + + + + + joke. But hey Intel generation 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10 were all Skylake on the desktop so perhaps we're lucky if Golden only runs 3 generations.