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Hulk

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Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.
 
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Hulk

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Ok, I just broke 2400 Cinebench R23 Single thread barrier! :) Two best cores ran at 6200 MHz and the other at 6000 MHz. Voltage was fixed at 1.45V. I changed nothing else. The 2407 result is from unmonitored run.

I believe that this CPU should be solid stable at 60x on the best cores and 58x or 59x all the other. I am quite happy that this works, I was worried that these kind of CPUs will be skimmed out to make the KS models out of them.

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Wow! That is impressive! Any chance you can run our Handbrake bench again at these higher clocks?
 

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Sometimes I ask myself, when did PC gaming/hardware enthusiasm become so popular? I can remember times in the past where buying new hardware was so easy, especially if it was high end hardware that was usually out of reach for many people.

But now, RTX 4090 is out of stock everywhere except on eBay where the average selling price is a thousand above MSRP, and to top it off, even the 13900KF and the God damned motherboard I'm interested in is sold out of preorders.. Fricking memory as well!! :mad:

It's enough to make me want to just quit gaming period!! :rage::rage:
I like PC hardware and like to tinker with it but I do 90% of my gaming on Xbox. Just turn the console on and enjoy. The Xbox Series X is easy to get now on MS's store and now consoles come with SSD's that was the only thing stopping me from getting a PS4/Xbox One. I know fps won't be as high but its good for the price.

Sometimes we forget that games are for entertainment but lately IMO there's been too much focus on getting the latest hardware and benchmarks.
Enjoy what you have. In the 90s, 2000s we just played games for fun, nowadays it's screeching.


P.S Back then the internet online shopping was not popular thats why we could easy access to parts and no "supply chain issues"...
 
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The 13900K Linux Benchmarks have been taken down(I guess under Threat by Intel), but I was able to get a screenshot of the Geometric mean of all tests results.

Interesting results. I wouldn't have expected that to wind up the way that it did. AVX512 must be making a difference in there somewhere. Pity Intel would be that petty but what can you do?
 

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I'm curious if the process refinements that are helping the P-cores reach 6 GHz relatively easily are also beneficial for the all core boost of E-cores. Maybe they can all run at 4.5 GHz?

E cores can easily run at 4.5 ghz. You just need enough voltage to get them there.
P cores at x58 stable? Not happening unless you have a golden CPU on a good AIO, or a custom loop with an above average CPU. You are absolutely NOT doing x58 stable on any AIO without a chip with a P-core SP of 120 or higher (Loop Cinebench R23 for 30 minutes without a BSOD at x58 then you can call it stable enough for gaming, and Stockfish chess? Not a chance).

A custom loop with a chiller combined with a golden CPU can do x60 P cores stable.
 
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The 13900K Linux Benchmarks have been taken down(I guess under Threat by Intel), but I was able to get a screenshot of the Geometric mean of all tests results.

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Wow, neck-and-neck. Only thing is looking at 12900K and 5950X scores we know in the real world they are very comparable. So I'm thinking the 7950X is going to be on top for most applications.
 
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Not sure if a CPU bottleneck exists at 4K. Seen any such indication in benchmarks anywhere?

It shows up in the 1% lows for the most part, but with an extremely powerful GPU like the RTX 4090, it could also show up in the averages depending on the game. Also, some games are just very CPU dependent regardless of resolution.

Games are starting to lean on the CPU more since the PS5 and XSX launches I've noticed, which is a good thing. Hopefully we'll get more realistic simulation and physics in future games.
 
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The product is up for sale in my country (EU), so it feels that much weirder to not have reviews released already.

Well apparently they showed up nearly a week ago in another country as @Kocicak has had one for awhile. Probably a mistake. Don't expect anything official until early afternoon EU time.
 
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Raphael is already getting undercut by Raptor Lake at Micro Center. Seriously, who is the moron that thought 7600x @ $300 and 7700x @ $400 was a good 2022 sales strategy? I guess the supposed Intel "up to 20%" price increase is out the window. :rolleyes: View attachment 69465View attachment 69466

Intel is either very smart or they have a turd on their hands. Guess we'll find out in a few hours. I'm leaning towards the former, assuming those prices stick.
 
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Intel is either very smart or they have a turd on their hands. Guess we'll find out in a few hours. I'm leaning towards the former, assuming those prices stick.
I have no doubt the product is good, but I also think they had quite a shock with ADL sales, in the sense that they did not expect Zen 3 to hold up so well in DIY. I guess it was time for Intel to see what an eroded brand image looks like.
 

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Raphael is already getting undercut by Raptor Lake at Micro Center. Seriously, who is the moron that thought 7600x @ $300 and 7700x @ $400 was a good 2022 sales strategy? I guess the supposed Intel "up to 20%" price increase is out the window. :rolleyes: View attachment 69465View attachment 69466
Wasn't suggested retail for 13900k $589? My microcenter said they will have plenty of 13th gen chips so no need to camp or wait in line early.

They will also have z790 boards too but I'm curious how many people will buy the cpu and board today, because they don't really have any ddr5 ram available and what they do have I've never found on my motherboard approved list in the past.
 
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Pricing looks great, but I wonder what will this do to their ASPs and margins on desktop? The Raptor Lake die is bigger and more expensive, undercutting this much will surely have an effect on their profit margins.
They are praying that they sell as many as they can before the monster Zen4X3D hits the market.
 

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They are praying that they sell as many as they can before the monster Zen4X3D hits the market.
I doubt they care that much about X3D parts from AMD. In the current economic climate, people will most likely buy what is more affordable to them or has better perf./$ value. The X3D parts will be the best for gaming but more expensive and will provide small performance increases in non-gaming tasks (as seen with 5800X3D). It's a niche segment.
 

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Raphael is already getting undercut by Raptor Lake at Micro Center. Seriously, who is the moron that thought 7600x @ $300 and 7700x @ $400 was a good 2022 sales strategy? I guess the supposed Intel "up to 20%" price increase is out the window. :rolleyes:

Look at the bright side: it's great for consumers buying over the extended holiday season.
 
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inf64

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Do you believe that the non-gaming crowd with multicore workloads outnumbers the gaming crowd?
Honestly I have no idea, but if we see an 8 core X3D part that costs like 7900X, I doubt that its value will be on-par with 7900X. 7900X should still be a top-tier gaming part with 50% more cores for background tasks.
 
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