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Hulk

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Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.
 
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This guy has the hardware, and is using an RTX 4090 so there is no GPU bottlenecking like there was with the RTX 3000 series, even at 1440p max settings. As I predicted, Raptor Lake is the faster gaming CPU, and will be even faster when DDR5 7000+ kits become widely available later this month. These benchmarks were done with DDR5 6200, which is more advantageous to Zen 4 than it is to Raptor Lake.

Couldn't do embedded links because he blocked that feature from being used for his videos as he wants the clicks. If you do watch the videos please leave a like:

7700x vs 13700K

7950x vs 13900K

5800x 3D vs 13600K

Pretty good showing from Raptor Lake if these are accurate. Similar power use while gaming to Zen 4 but a bit better performance.

Never heard of this channel though so will take with a grain of salt for now.
 
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DrMrLordX

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Effectively, unless gaming/benchmarking/etc. – you’d just be using an ultra efficient many threaded Atom system

That's cool and all but as @Kocicak has demonstrated you can just set a 13900k to 65W (or some other arbitrary low power target) and go to town. There's no need to focus solely on the Gracemont+ cores as nobody has really demonstrated that they're any more power-efficient than Raptor Cove at completing tasks (Gracemont was shown to be no more efficient than Golden Cove). The only advantage to Gracemont/Gracemont+ is area efficiency.

– but still be able to crank it up when needed

Can you re-enable the 7 disabled Raptor Cove cores without rebooting the entire system?
 
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Falkentyne

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I have put the AIO back on the CPU and spent some time with playing with Intel extreme tuning utility, here are my OC results (only of P cores). I ended up setting max turbo for the best two cores to 60 and 59 to all other. When I tested all core performance, it could run at 57 multiplier with higher voltage offset.

So far it seems that all cores can be completely stable at 5900 MHz. I have not tested it thoroughly yet.

I have seen all cores boost up to 6100 MHz, not stable, I tried allocating 6100 only to the best two cores, not stable (passed cca half of 1T run), but I did not mess with voltages much. I believe 6100 could be achieved with some more tweaking.

Here are my results for 1, 2, 4, 8 and all threads load:

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Some screenshots:

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That's a VERY low 5900 mhz score.
I get that same R23 score at 5.6 ghz (with static set vcore) and stock e cores and ring (4.3 and 4.5 ghz).
You're either throttling or something is clipping your performance, because your original 5.5. ghz score is correct.
I also saw in your screenshot that one of your P cores dropped down to 4300 mhz.
Might want to fix that.
 

alexruiz

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Is that all core boost or single core boost? According to the 7700x info page on AMD's website, the 7700x's max boost single core clock speed is 5.4ghz:

AMD 7700x

That shows how little you know about AMD CPUs.

Anyone who has built a PC with Ryzen knows that in real life, the single core boost is 50MHz to 150MHz higher than the official spec.
In the 7700X it happens to be 150MHz.
 

Carfax83

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That shows how little you know about AMD CPUs.

Anyone who has built a PC with Ryzen knows that in real life, the single core boost is 50MHz to 150MHz higher than the official spec.
In the 7700X it happens to be 150MHz.

Perhaps for single core boost it may hit 5.5ghz, but all core boost? I checked a few reviews of the 7700x doing Cinebench and the all core boost was around 5.1ghz. The in game boost from his channel was around 5.34ghz so that looks accurate to me as games will not stress the CPU like Cinebench would.
 

alexruiz

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Perhaps for single core boost it may hit 5.5ghz, but all core boost? I checked a few reviews of the 7700x doing Cinebench and the all core boost was around 5.1ghz. The in game boost from his channel was around 5.34ghz so that looks accurate to me as games will not stress the CPU like Cinebench would.

For the 7700X, all core boost, even when doing less strenuous stuff than cinebench, is around 5.15GHz.
The 5.35GHz number you are getting is single core boost, and somebody who is getting 5.35GHz single core boost on a 7700x has absolutely no clue on how to set up a Ryzen.

In the end, however, only 2 more days for more reputable reviewers to put their numbers
We will see.
 

Falkentyne

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What score? 4 and 8T are at that frequency, 32T score is at 5700 MHz. I also have DDR4 memory. All I changed is multiplier and main voltage offset, nothing else.
What score? 4 and 8T are at that frequency, 32T score is at 5700 MHz. I also have DDR4 memory. All I changed is multiplier and main voltage offset, nothing else.

This picture shows 24C/32T.


I see all cores active and hyperthreading enabled.
 

Kocicak

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I have set the two best cores to 6100 MHz and passed 1T Cinebench run, HWinfo showing the cores running at 6100 MHz all the time, unfortunatelly the score does not reflect that. It was more monitoring than benchmarking run, I had both Intel utility and HWinfo running. I had no time to run it again without the tools running.

This time it was on fixed voltage. I tried setting the remaining cores to 6 GHz and run 2T, but it crashed.

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ondma

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This picture shows 24C/32T.


I see all cores active and hyperthreading enabled.
Yea, but minimum time is set to zero, so that is not for a sustained run. Probably would be lower if you did a full 10 min run.

BTW, I have been testing with this, and have been having problems with getting a score. I do a 0 min run and get a score, but if I set of 10 min, the program runs for the full ten minutes and then says it is stopped, but the program keeps running and doesnt give me a score.
 

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This guy has the hardware, and is using an RTX 4090 so there is no GPU bottlenecking like there was with the RTX 3000 series, even at 1440p max settings. As I predicted, Raptor Lake is the faster gaming CPU, and will be even faster when DDR5 7000+ kits become widely available later this month. These benchmarks were done with DDR5 6200, which is more advantageous to Zen 4 than it is to Raptor Lake.

Couldn't do embedded links because he blocked that feature from being used for his videos as he wants the clicks. If you do watch the videos please leave a like:

7700x vs 13700K

7950x vs 13900K

5800x 3D vs 13600K
This is just one of those fake YT channels. Ignore it.
 

Abwx

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Pretty good showing from Raptor Lake if these are accurate. Similar power use while gaming to Zen 4 but a bit better performance.

Never heard of this channel though so will take with a grain of salt for now.

In games the 7950X is at 118-123W and the 12900KS at 168-181W and i dont think that the 13900K will use less power than ADL.

Perhaps for single core boost it may hit 5.5ghz, but all core boost? I checked a few reviews of the 7700x doing Cinebench and the all core boost was around 5.1ghz. The in game boost from his channel was around 5.34ghz so that looks accurate to me as games will not stress the CPU like Cinebench would.

7700K all cores boost in games is at least 5.5GHz.

 
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In games the 7950X is at 118-123W and the 12900KS at 168-181W and i dont think the 13900K will use less power than ADL.
Here are my results for 1, 2, 4, 8 and all threads load:
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You can see that at 8 threads of a VERY demanding application 13900K consumes 184W at 5500 Mhz and 205W at 5900 MHz with a little neg. voltage offset. I bet in games it will consume less than that.
 
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Abwx

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You can see that at 8 threads of a VERY demanding application 13900K consumes 184W at 5500 Mhz and 205W at 5900 MHz with a little neg. voltage offset. I bet in games it will consume less than that.
In games there are 8 demanding threads and this will use as much power as CB limited to 8T, if the 13900K can boost its 8 cores at 200W then the chip will clock such that it will be as close as possible to 200W when only 8 threads are used.
 

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I was probing around to get a 13600K early and one guy from a small shop told me that they have nothing ready to sell, no CPUs, no new motherboards. I had expected that there are full shelves everywhere of stuff ready to be sold on thursday, but it may not be the case. Honestly I have no idea how could I have bought my piece. Was is a mistake of the seller? Or intentional leak? No idea...
 
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