Rape victim is coveted status - George Wills

[shira]

So you mean pretty much the definition of rape defined by the Pennsylvania legislature?



It seems to me that liberals want to make the concept of what "rape" is so ambiguous that pretty much any sexual encounter can be described as rape.

Probably goes back to the whole "all heterosexual sex is rape" thing that some feminists believe in. Only repackaged so as to not sound so immediately stupid.

It also seems you are standing by the if you don't want to be accused of rape don't be an asshole.

So do you think being an asshole is rape? Or is it that you think women will falsely accuse assholes of being rapists to get revenge?

You're misinformed. Educate yourself.

 

[justoh]

You're misinformed. Educate yourself.

He's right about PA. How bad does it feel to be wrong vs nehalem?

 

[Veliko]

It seems to me

As he said, you need to educate yourself instead of continuing with your usual "if I shout at a dandelion when it's raining, I might get a lift to the shops from a passing gypsy" trains of thought.

 

[justoh]

As he said, you need to educate yourself instead of continuing with your usual "if I shout at a dandelion when it's raining, I might get a lift to the shops from a passing gypsy" trains of thought.

He necessarily can't be wrong about how things "seem to [him]." He is himself.

 

[fskimospy]

He necessarily can't be wrong about how things "seem to [him]." He is himself.

His post referred to the ignorance underlying nehalem's opinion, not whether or not he was speaking correctly as to his own opinion.

 

[justoh]

His post referred to the ignorance underlying nehalem's opinion, not whether or not he was speaking correctly as to his own opinion.

Probably, but it's also arguable that the misinformed portion could only sensibly be applied to the force or threat of force requirement for PA claim, since everything else was sarcastic speculation not conducive to any kind of flippant "educate yourself" instruction. shira said "educate yourself" while quoting his claim and speculation. And then the veliko guy quoted the quote from shira when affirming what the shira guy had said.

 

[pengoau]

It takes two to tango as they say.

Women need to have some personal responsibility.

Its all well and great to expect all men to be decent and not rape you but guess what you live in the real world where people get sexually assaulted all the time.

Take some personal responsibility for once.

Do we need a sex waiver to have sex with females now? You've led a dude on so much so you let him into your bed and let him take your panties off AND there is no protesting so you expect him not to stick it in your? WTF!!!! Is a thirsty animal not going to drink?

You aren't protesting in any way shape or form, regardless you said no earlier. What is the dude ment to think if you don't reject his advances? Dudes aren't fricken mind readers. I think dudes just need to ask everytime and get a verbal answer, if none is forthcoming DO NOT PROCEED BATMAN!!! Women expect you can read their minds, regardless that they don't reject your advances and assume they don't want it. Even tho they have done everything short of saying no that they want it. Heck as it appears they can change their minds and make you a rapists weeks later!

For fucks sake, I was listening to a female comedian on joe rogans podcast and she is just leaving herself open to being raped. She will have intense make out sessions with dudes (boob touch etc) and leave it at that. This is just inviting trouble.

Dress, act for the world you live in not the world you wish it to be. This will do a better job at keeping you safe. As for men wanting sex you need a clear verbal yes from a woman each and every time you engage in a sexual act so its clear its wanted. What do they say about assuming? Its either that or look into Islam that has a backwards view on rape and sex.

 

[jackstar7]

Imagined male victimhood.

I've run out of facepalm.

 

[alzan]

It takes two to tango as they say.

Women need to have some personal responsibility.

Its all well and great to expect all men to be decent and not rape you but guess what you live in the real world where people get sexually assaulted all the time.

Take some personal responsibility for once.

Do we need a sex waiver to have sex with females now? You've led a dude on so much so you let him into your bed and let him take your panties off AND there is no protesting so you expect him not to stick it in your? WTF!!!! Is a thirsty animal not going to drink?

You aren't protesting in any way shape or form, regardless you said no earlier. What is the dude ment to think if you don't reject his advances? Dudes aren't fricken mind readers. I think dudes just need to ask everytime and get a verbal answer, if none is forthcoming DO NOT PROCEED BATMAN!!! Women expect you can read their minds, regardless that they don't reject your advances and assume they don't want it. Even tho they have done everything short of saying no that they want it. Heck as it appears they can change their minds and make you a rapists weeks later!

For fucks sake, I was listening to a female comedian on joe rogans podcast and she is just leaving herself open to being raped. She will have intense make out sessions with dudes (boob touch etc) and leave it at that. This is just inviting trouble.

Dress, act for the world you live in not the world you wish it to be. This will do a better job at keeping you safe. As for men wanting sex you need a clear verbal yes from a woman each and every time you engage in a sexual act so its clear its wanted. What do they say about assuming? Its either that or look into Islam that has a backwards view on rape and sex.

Thanks for designating yourself as someone who thinks that women who dress in certain ways are "asking for it".

 

[pengoau]

No one wants to be raped or is "asking for it". I appreciate rape still happens if you wear a burqa etc.

I was commenting on adequate signs of consent and personal responsibility (the lack thereof), to try any keep you safe.

How hard is it to take a LITTLE BIT of personal responsibility and say "no" again? You expect your sexual partner to know you still don't want it even thou you let them go all the way? You don't see how this can be a tad problematic?

Like I said it takes two to tango and he should have asked her again if she was in the mood.

How hard is it for either to just to give/get verbal consent?

 

[Victorian Gray]

No one wants to be raped or is "asking for it". I appreciate rape still happens if you wear a burqa etc.

I was commenting on adequate signs of consent and personal responsibility (the lack thereof), to try any keep you safe.

How hard is it to take a LITTLE BIT of personal responsibility and say "no" again? You expect your sexual partner to know you still don't want it even thou you let them go all the way? You don't see how this can be a tad problematic?

Like I said it takes two to tango and he should have asked her again if she was in the mood.

How hard is it for either to just to give/get verbal consent?

And just how hard is it to simply not be an ass?

 

[nehalem256]

And just how hard is it to simply not be an ass?

how hard is it to understand the difference between an ass and a rapist?

 

[shira]

He's right about PA. How bad does it feel to be wrong vs nehalem?

No, he's wrong. PA simply uses the term "sexual assault" in place of "2nd-degree rape":

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/18/00.031.024.001..HTM

Except as provided in section 3121 (relating to rape) or 3123 (relating to involuntary deviate sexual intercourse), a person commits a felony of the second degree when that person engages in sexual intercourse or deviate sexual intercourse with a complainant without the complainant's consent.

This law is referring to EXACTLY the same issue as in the OP. But if the name in PA of the felony for sex without consent is different, then we're supposed to believe that it's not a felony for engaging in sex without consent?

And if we go through the specific laws in all 50 states plus D.C., and find more variations in terminology, but sex without consent is still a felony, is that supposed to somehow prove something?

 

[Victorian Gray]

how hard is it to understand the difference between an ass and a rapist?

Simple assault?

 

[justoh]

No, he's wrong. PA simply uses the term "sexual assault" in place of "2nd-degree rape":

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/18/00.031.024.001..HTM



This law is referring to EXACTLY the same issue as in the OP. But if the name in PA of the felony for sex without consent is different, then we're supposed to believe that it's not a felony for engaging in sex without consent?

And if we go through the specific laws in all 50 states plus D.C., and find more variations in terminology, but sex without consent is still a felony, is that supposed to somehow prove something?

Sounds like you're using the term "wrong" in place of "right." He used the word "rape."

 

[Veliko]

No one wants to be raped or is "asking for it". I appreciate rape still happens if you wear a burqa etc.

I was commenting on adequate signs of consent and personal responsibility (the lack thereof), to try any keep you safe.

How hard is it to take a LITTLE BIT of personal responsibility and say "no" again? You expect your sexual partner to know you still don't want it even thou you let them go all the way? You don't see how this can be a tad problematic?

Like I said it takes two to tango and he should have asked her again if she was in the mood.

How hard is it for either to just to give/get verbal consent?

I see nehalem has got himself another login and determined to out derp himself with himself.

 

[pengoau]

I'm not him. I understand why you think that, but as much as I want females to take personal responsibility over themselves so do I expect men to respect them.

Unfortunately the world is full of asses and putting yourself at risk is stupid, when you can just use a little bit of responsibility to keep yourself safe.

I would love it if everyone wasn't an ass but unfortunately we live in the real world where this is not the case. So lets be realistic.

Not putting yourself at risk and being clear about things applies to both parties and ensures both are kept safe.

 

[Veliko]

Your schtick about personal responsibility and not putting yourself at risk is just blaming women if they get raped.

You talk about being realistic yet you're being anything but realistic.

 

[pengoau]

I don't blame women if they get raped. Just don't put yourself in the position of it likely happening if you don't want it, use your head. Not all men have your best interests at heart. To expect otherwise is a bit naive. It only takes one to ruin your day, regardless that the wider majority are respectful.

How is my "schtick" not realistic? Just don't put yourself at so much risk a bad person can take advantage.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STDwmu8bPyg

Skip to 1:50 & 8:20, to many women are expecting white knights or white knights to save them which are few and far between.

 

[Veliko]

I don't blame women if they get raped. Just don't put yourself in the position of it likely happening if you don't want it, use your head.

These two sentences contradict each other and I really have no idea what you mean by "don't put yourself in the position of it likely happening"

The only way it makes any sense is if you're suggesting that women shouldn't ever be in the company of men.

 

[pengoau]

Watch the video and maybe you'll understand my position? Women can be in the company of men, just don't compromise yourself around strangers so much so they can take advantage.

Don't send mixed signals around people you trust and more so that you have a sexual history with. It makes it confusing and it sucks for you if your sexual partner gets it wrong?

So its not confusing a woman lets you undress her, have sex with her and doesn't say no or protest? How is the dude acting like an ass when he stopped when you said "no"? He only had sex with the women later coz the woman didn't say no (or yes), left it vague, allowed him to undress her and have sex.

I guess the moral of the story is, if you are going to assume, assume its no regardless how the woman acts unless you hear "yes".

 

[Veliko]

Watch the video and maybe you'll understand my position? Women can be in the company of men, just don't compromise yourself around strangers so much so they can take advantage.

Don't send mixed signals around people you trust and have a sexual history with. It makes confusing and it sucks for you if your sexual partner gets it wrong? Neither party should never assume.

Your position is to blame women for the actions of men.

"Don't send mixed signals"

I mean really, what does that even mean? No smiling? No laughing? No flirting of any kind?

 

[pengoau]

Let me make it clear so you understand: Women are to be blamed for their actions. Men are to be blamed for their actions. Whatever gender you are you have to take responsibility of yourself and not assume someone will save you. You should never take advantage of another for your own gain at their expense. If someone is nice to you, saves you great but don't expect it to happen.

Don't send mixed signals = say no but later, allow a man to go so far as to have sex with you. How is that anything but mixed? You are signalling to the other party you didn't want it earlier but its ok now as you didn't say no and not taking any action to show you don't want it.

 

[Veliko]

My position is not to blame them, but take responsibility for yourself.

Your position is one that completely contradicts itself.

Don't send mixed signals = say no but later, allow a man to go so far as to have sex with you. How is that anything but mixed? You are signalling to the other party you didn't want it earlier but its ok now as you didn't say no.

Rape happens far to often, it has me think they are assuming someone will save them. If they looked out for themselves more then maybe it wouldn't happen so often.

Actions have consequences.

This is just bizarre and very worrying. If a woman changes her mind for any reason then she's sending out mixed signals and it's her fault if she is raped.

 

[pengoau]

You can change your mind, but be obvious and not vague about it.

If you change your mind but you let the other party have sex with you how is it anything but mixed? Are men mind readers if you keep it to yourself that you are not interested and do nothing to stop sex? The boundaries need to be clearly defined, as what's acceptable to one is unacceptable to another.

I edited my post above to make more sense, watch the video and maybe my position will be less contradictory and make more sense to you. If you are refusing to watch the video to understand my point better, well that's disappointing.