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[Rant] Went from an H60 to 212+

dkm777

dkm777

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Hi guys,

I got fed up with my H60 cooling a 4GHz PhII because of pump noise (somewhat tolerable) and heat soak (not cool). I had an unused Hyper 212+ lying around and decided to redo the cooling. Replaced the case fans with Gentle Typhoon AP-14s that were previously grafted onto the H60 and installed the 212+ with a Noctua NF-P12. After running some tests I found the setup to be exactly the same regarding temps, but the combination of a very dense fin stack on the Hyper 212 and the Noctua fan made an even worse noise than before. When mucking around inside the system I accidentally touched the heatsink when running LinX and I almost burned my hand. I then decided to add another Noctua NF-P12 for push-pull, but that didn't help with temps as much as I had hoped but added even more noise. As a last ditch attempt I'll be installing a couple of Gentle Typhoons when I get home today but I'm not expecting any miracles. So it becomes obvious that the Hyper 212+ cannot cope with CPUs of TDP larger than 95W or so. Combined with the fact that AMD chips cannot withstand temperatures as high an Intel can, it only makes sense to look for a better cooler. I'm done experimenting with closed loops as my case doesn't support an H100 which I think would be right for this job. My primary choice right now is a Thermalright HR-02 Macho.
 
95W TDP is if you don't oc. If you oc to 4GHz you probably also overvolted and wattage goes up with the square of voltage so a small voltage bump can mean BIG wattage increases. So your 45nm CPU could have been tossing over 200W with LinX running or something like that, which is a lot.

If you want to quietly cool down over 200W then good luck with that, especially with a modest cooler like a Hyper 212+ (not even an Hyper 212 Evo!) and with a modest fan like the Noctua fan you used (which was built for silence, NOT power!!!!!).

If you must stick with a hot 45nm CPU, then the Macho gets good reviews even though it's next to impossible to find in the US outside of Nan's gaming gear (storefront on Amazon marketplace). The Noctua NH-D14 is another common choice for massively hot CPUs. I hear good things about the Tt Frio and some others. Noctua takes silence seriously though so I'd look hard at the NH-D14. And Thermalright's 140mm fans are excellent, so the Macho is a great alternative to save some money and get almost the same cooling power.

Also consider good CPU cooling fans, something stronger than that Noctua. You want something with good airflow (75+ preferred) and static pressure (the more the better, 2+ mmH2O would be great) and good enough acoustics.

...but honestly all of that makes less sense to me than simply swapping to a cooler-running CPU in the first place. Consider alternatives like selling your CPU and mobo and getting an Ivy Bridge 22nm CPU with Z77 mobo.
 
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The core temps would go to 65 degrees and the system would BSOD shortly. I got a really bad chip here - 1.488V for 4GHz and CPU-NB doesn't go over 2.6GHz easily. But no biggie - Vishera is coming and that's what this fool-around rig was built for. The Phenom II is just a stop gap. I just want to see how far can I push it and maybe even destroy it in the process...

Edit: there's a Cogage Arrow on sale right now. Costs the same as an HR-02 Macho, but comes with only one weak fan. Then again I have so many unused fans lying around I'll probably find something that works.
 
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dkm777 said:
The core temps would go to 65 degrees and the system would BSOD shortly. I got a really bad chip here - 1.488V for 4GHz and CPU-NB doesn't go over 2.6GHz easily. But no biggie - Vishera is coming and that's what this fool-around rig was built for. The Phenom II is just a stop gap. I just want to see how far can I push it and maybe even destroy it in the process...

Edit: there's a Cogage Arrow on sale right now. Costs the same as an HR-02 Macho, but comes with only one weak fan. Then again I have so many unused fans lying around I'll probably find something that works.
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It's been a while since i've played with an AMD CPU, but 65C is... not hot at all. Sounds more like an unstable OC than an issue with your cooler, without a custom liquid loop I don't know if you're gonna get it any lower than that if noise is your main concern.
 
Dstoop said:
It's been a while since i've played with an AMD CPU, but 65C is... not hot at all. Sounds more like an unstable OC than an issue with your cooler, without a custom liquid loop I don't know if you're gonna get it any lower than that if noise is your main concern.
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Depending on the core, the max operating temp is actually pretty low on Phenoms. Something like 62C and 70C in some cases.
 
How old is the 212? You may need to smooth down the base. I have heard that these coolers used to vary widely in 'flatness.'
 
uhhh... i guess u learned first hand how efficient water is over straight air. 🙂

now if u play the scale factor, a real h2o setup floorstomps your H6O.

Now u see why those of us who watercool have a bad habit of always wanting to watercool?
Even when we see "acceptable" air temps, and we freak out.
 
But I was told the Corsair water things were nothing but gimmicks 😕. However, I did price out a real WC kit and it was way out of my league. Besides, my case is as unsuitable to water as they come: I'd need one 120 and one 140mm rads daisy chained. Maybe that would be enough for CPU alone, but then there's the issue about m/b VRMs and chipset. With this little rad I wouldn't even think of adding a GPU to the loop.
Anyway, it is decided - I'm ordering a Cogage Arrow before they are sold out. I'm gonna use the AM3 mounting kit that came with my Venomous-X and a couple of 1150RPM GTs that I currently put on my 212+. Hope that makes for a quiet setup.
 
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