Rant: stupid 4 port switch

thescreensavers

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this dynex cheapo $22 4 port switch i got hisses so loud and gets louder every time you plug another Ethernet device in. I need it for today tomorrow i am buying a different one that hopefully wont hiss. For now this is what I did to silence it.


This is what I did

Yup its a plastic container with plastic wrap all over. silences it all the way down to nothing.
 

spidey07

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So you don't think you have an EM problem with all those wires/AC running around?
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
I find 4 port switches hillarious.

Oh yeah? I find them useful.

I don't - probably because I have a stack of 48 port 10/100's (w/ gigabit uplinks) and 24 port gigabits.
 

Leros

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
I find 4 port switches hillarious.

Oh yeah? I find them useful.

I don't - probably because I have a stack of 48 port 10/100's (w/ gigabit uplinks) and 24 port gigabits.

Ya know, some of us have less than 200 computers.
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
I find 4 port switches hillarious.

Oh yeah? I find them useful.

I don't - probably because I have a stack of 48 port 10/100's (w/ gigabit uplinks) and 24 port gigabits.

me too, my home connection totaly needs it.......

That sentence hurt to read. Switching gear has NOTHING to do with your "connection". It has EVERYTHING to do with how many and what sort of equipment you use on the premesis running what applications.

And yeah, I'll be the first to admit that my home setup is beyond abnormal, and indeed, beyond geeky experimentation. That still doesn't change the fact that there isn't a 4-port switching-only product on the market that I wouldn't laugh at.
 

Leros

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
I find 4 port switches hillarious.

Oh yeah? I find them useful.

I don't - probably because I have a stack of 48 port 10/100's (w/ gigabit uplinks) and 24 port gigabits.

me too, my home connection totaly needs it.......

That sentence hurt to read. Switching gear has NOTHING to do with your "connection". It has EVERYTHING to do with how many and what sort of equipment you use on the premesis running what applications.

And yeah, I'll be the first to admit that my home setup is beyond abnormal, and indeed, beyond geeky experimentation. That still doesn't change the fact that there isn't a 4-port switching-only product on the market that I wouldn't laugh at.

hypocrite

 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
That sentence hurt to read. Switching gear has NOTHING to do with your "connection". It has EVERYTHING to do with how many and what sort of equipment you use on the premesis running what applications.

And yeah, I'll be the first to admit that my home setup is beyond abnormal, and indeed, beyond geeky experimentation. That still doesn't change the fact that there isn't a 4-port switching-only product on the market that I wouldn't laugh at.

Not only that, they don't even run 802.1d.

In otherwords, they are to be avoided at all costs. Wanna take down a network? Use a four port switch and plug it into two network ports. fun will ensue.
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
That sentence hurt to read. Switching gear has NOTHING to do with your "connection". It has EVERYTHING to do with how many and what sort of equipment you use on the premesis running what applications.

And yeah, I'll be the first to admit that my home setup is beyond abnormal, and indeed, beyond geeky experimentation. That still doesn't change the fact that there isn't a 4-port switching-only product on the market that I wouldn't laugh at.

Not only that, they don't even run 802.1d.

In otherwords, they are to be avoided at all costs. Wanna take down a network? Use a four port switch and plug it into two network ports. fun will ensue.

It's all about practical use. I don't need anything bigger than a 4 port switch when dropping video conference & webcam equipment into the DMZ at a jobsite.
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
That sentence hurt to read. Switching gear has NOTHING to do with your "connection". It has EVERYTHING to do with how many and what sort of equipment you use on the premesis running what applications.

And yeah, I'll be the first to admit that my home setup is beyond abnormal, and indeed, beyond geeky experimentation. That still doesn't change the fact that there isn't a 4-port switching-only product on the market that I wouldn't laugh at.

Not only that, they don't even run 802.1d.

In otherwords, they are to be avoided at all costs. Wanna take down a network? Use a four port switch and plug it into two network ports. fun will ensue.

I was wondering if you were referring to the spanning tree part of 802.1D or not. Yeah, those little fvckers are dangerous weapons on networks with non-spanning switches. I actually saw it demonstrated in a network security class. "Your end users are going to cause problems, your predecessors and colleagues are going to cause a bunch of their own, but your REAL problems come from someone that knows the standards as well, or better than you do, and has $5, access to two ethernet ports and a reason to take down the entire damned network."

The easy solution to that attack, though, is to use exclusively switches of your own which support spanning tree - that way, the only disruption someone can cause is within an unauthorized extension of the network"
 

Pepsi90919

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Originally posted by: InlineFive
Now I'm curious, would that create an infinite loop?

switches like to forward things. it will create a perpetual fowarding machine; eventually the buffer will fill up, the host switch will start creating collisions to shut up all the 'real' traffic, nothing goes anywhere.

STP was brought up because it is designed to eliminate inefficient loops. STP is also a good band and shady snake oil company.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
I was wondering if you were referring to the spanning tree part of 802.1D or not. Yeah, those little fvckers are dangerous weapons on networks with non-spanning switches. I actually saw it demonstrated in a network security class. "Your end users are going to cause problems, your predecessors and colleagues are going to cause a bunch of their own, but your REAL problems come from someone that knows the standards as well, or better than you do, and has $5, access to two ethernet ports and a reason to take down the entire damned network."

The easy solution to that attack, though, is to use exclusively switches of your own which support spanning tree - that way, the only disruption someone can cause is within an unauthorized extension of the network"

I can take down most networks with a hub or a switch in my hands. Not trying to brag. But if the access layer isn't using the proper security measures (most) you can bring the entire broadcast domain down very easily, if not the layer3 routing (processor flooded with broadcasts.)

As to inlinefives request - think about this....

You have a layer2 loop that spanning-tree cannot stop, it happens and it's easy to cause this. I won't go into details on how to make this happen. Each and every frame is received on one port and forwarded out the other (switches are bridges). After a few minutes of normaly activity that broadcast domain is full of nothing but layer2 broadcasts - pegging even the most hardened switches without the employment of broadcast suppression.

It is a layer2 loop, and it happens. thankfully there are features to prevent this. But suffice to say, it is easy to do.
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
I was wondering if you were referring to the spanning tree part of 802.1D or not. Yeah, those little fvckers are dangerous weapons on networks with non-spanning switches. I actually saw it demonstrated in a network security class. "Your end users are going to cause problems, your predecessors and colleagues are going to cause a bunch of their own, but your REAL problems come from someone that knows the standards as well, or better than you do, and has $5, access to two ethernet ports and a reason to take down the entire damned network."

The easy solution to that attack, though, is to use exclusively switches of your own which support spanning tree - that way, the only disruption someone can cause is within an unauthorized extension of the network"

I can take down most networks with a hub or a switch in my hands. Not trying to brag. But if the access layer isn't using the proper security measures (most) you can bring the entire broadcast domain down very easily, if not the layer3 routing (processor flooded with broadcasts.)

As to inlinefives request - think about this....

You have a layer2 loop that spanning-tree cannot stop, it happens and it's easy to cause this. I won't go into details on how to make this happen. Each and every frame is received on one port and forwarded out the other (switches are bridges). After a few minutes of normaly activity that broadcast domain is full of nothing but layer2 broadcasts - pegging even the most hardened switches without the employment of broadcast suppression.

It is a layer2 loop, and it happens. thankfully there are features to prevent this. But suffice to say, it is easy to do.

All that requires physical access to the hardware...it always comes down the people you trust can screw you the most.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: Feldenak
All that requires physical access to the hardware...it always comes down the people you trust can screw you the most.

Meh? got a wireless network?

EyeMWing's post is spot on. The damage you can do with a little knowledge and a hub/switch/understanding of the standards is dangerous. Why do you think we have features to block this behavior?

The thing is most don't take advantage of the security features at the access layer that they need to. I personally demand it, especially since some of my clients are universities full of kids trying to have fun.
 

InlineFive

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Wow, I just tried that on my network and I was laughing. Pretty cool! :thumbsup:

Interestingly the only way I could cause the Broadcast Storm was by having the computer locate one another for Filesharing. Which is weird because I have a WINS server. :confused:
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
Originally posted by: InlineFive
Now I'm curious, would that create an infinite loop?

switches like to forward things. it will create a perpetual fowarding machine; eventually the buffer will fill up, the host switch will start creating collisions to shut up all the 'real' traffic, nothing goes anywhere.

STP was brought up because it is designed to eliminate inefficient loops. STP is also a good band and shady snake oil company.

I thought it was hubs that like to forward things?