RANT: Some used-car sellers just have no clue about the economy right now!

Mursilis

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So this past summer I decided it would be nice to own a 'fun' car again - the wife's Honda minivan is a great family hauler, and my little Toyota pickup is a useful daily driver and great for Home Depot runs, but they're both boring-as-heck choremobiles. Mostly I've been looking at '99 and newer Mustangs, because I've always loved those cars, and my first car was a used Mustang (which I promptly wrecked within a week of getting a license, but amazingly, it wasn't my fault). Some of the "special edition" 99-04 Mustangs (Cobras, Mach 1s, Bullitts) have finally depreciated down to reasonable prices these days, and the newer '05+ GTs are now plentiful between $15-20K.

But looking over the 'for sale' ads on various Mustang boards, some sellers just have no clue. It's not uncommon at all to find cars which have been on the market 4-6 months, and the owners are always mystified why they can't find a buyer, or even get a nibble. Maybe it's because KBB lists your car at ~$10K, and you're asking $18K? Sure, Mr. Seller, you sunk $10K worth of "mods" into yours, but I'm not going to reimburse you for that - they don't add much value to me, and they make me wonder how much abuse your car got. One seller's been trying to sell a Cobra since Jan., but can't figure out why someone doesn't want to pay $2K over book for a car with 100K+ miles, which has been raced, and has a leaking head gasket. Another guy was certain his convertible was very reasonably priced but admitted in the very same post that he'd had it on the Mustang board and Autotrader.com for over a month and hadn't gotten even a single inquiry. Sure, great price! :roll:

And it's like an echo chamber on the Mustang "for sale" boards - sellers tell other sellers their cars are great and will certainly sell very soon, so don't drop the price any more. Months later, still for sale . . . Anyone who suggests people are just asking too much gets flamed and called a lowballer. Everyone swears their prices are realistic but when they give up and put their cars on ebay, they rarely get more than 50-60% of what they thought "fair market value" was, if they sell at all. One guy who swore his modified '99 convertible was reasonable priced (started at $16K in August) hasn't even reached $9K on ebay with less than 20 hours to go. And the economy's only going to get worse, so standing by your unrealistic price for 6 more months while your car depreciates further isn't going to help either. Ah, well, I'll just wait for the market to sink some more, and look again in a few months. It's definitely a buyer's market.
 

Kromis

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Kelley Blue Book for the win!

Unfortunately, it sucks that sellers value their cars too much and sell it over the KBB value.
 

Chunkee

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trust me..they do not care. NOT ONE BIT!...

Been there done that all fall. Most still must make 4-5 grand on you. One tried to wear me out with explanations the other night. Some of us are informed...either accept the deal on my terms or be quiet. sheesh.

JC
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: Chunkee
trust me..they do not care. NOT ONE BIT!...

Been there done that all fall. Most still must make 4-5 grand on you. One tried to wear me out with explanations the other night. Some of us are informed...either accept the deal on my terms or be quiet. sheesh.

JC

What are you looking for?
 

CRXican

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I hear you. I'm about to sell my dad's 2000 Camaro SS 6-speed (assuming we avoid a total flake out by the buyer). It has been on the market for a few months and the asking price started around $14,500 to account for the inevitable lowballers. Clearly this is a bad time to sell a used car and even without that factor the market is flooded with these cars and the market value on them sucks.

My dad's is a two adult-owner car and only has about 43K miles on it. KBB values are pretty inflated and the buyer utilized Edmunds TMV which I agree with. If all goes as planed the car is to be sold for $10,000. Just above the private party TMV value Edmunds gave.

I had to convince my dad that this offer was fair all things considered. People love a car and the value in their minds is more important than any external factors. It's silly. People fail to realize a car is not an investment (aside from the obvious classics and such) and they refuse to be reasonable.
 

darom

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CRXican, just a hint - try posting your Dad's car on the ls1tech.com site. SS will sell for more than 10K, esp. with 43k miles on it. Look around, people are still looking for those SLP SS non-modded cars. Good luck with your sale. If I haven't had already my 98 Z28, I would have contacted your dad.
 

StageLeft

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I have a terrible thing to tell you all. My dad bought a new Jag for $45-50k Canadian--the 3.0 fully loaded xtype wagon. I think it was an 06 or something. In any case, it had maybe 35k KILOMETERS on it and he sold it after it was 2-3 years old back to the dealer on trade-in for another vehicle.

Do you know what they gave him for it? $12,500 Canadian. And he accepted it :(
 

StageLeft

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BTW 19k for a new GT sounds fantastic. Even if across the country I think you can have it shipped for $2k or less. Or, alternatively, road-trip!
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
BTW 19k for a new GT sounds fantastic. Even if across the country I think you can have it shipped for $2k or less. Or, alternatively, road-trip!

The thought had crossed my mind, but in order to get that price, you had to finance through the dealer at some ridiculous rate, and after the cost of shipping/driving/whatever, the savings wouldn't have been that much. Besides, I think all those bargain bin GTs have been snatched up already. That deal was posted on several deal sites. Supposedly, the Mustang tuner Saleen bought them, and then decided not to convert them into Saleens, and they were liquidated at auction, which explains why they were so cheap.
 

Gibson486

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yeah...some guy wanted to sell his 2000 Corolla for w/ 90K miles for $8k. I emailed him and he kept giving me this BS that 4 people wanted it for that price. If 4 people wanted it for that price, why is it still on craigslist? It's been reposted for about a week and a half. For $8k, my gf could get a newer model now.
 

Crucial

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Sounds to me like you are salty because you can't find a used car for what you want to pay for it.
 

Kabob

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Bought our WRX loaded up with some nice mods and the seller (a super nice guy) had it listed UNDER the KBB value, and he negotiated even lower.

Just depends on the seller really. This guy wanted to sell the WRX so he could buy an engine for the plane he was building.
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: Crucial
Sounds to me like you are salty because you can't find a used car for what you want to pay for it.

Nope, doesn't bother me that much. It's winter time, and any 'fun' car I bought now would just sit in the garage anyway until the weather got nicer. Meanwhile, I'm enjoying NOT having to pay extra insurance, taxes, fees, etc., for a car I'd not even drive until April or later. This is just an optional purchase for me, just for thrills. My pickup runs just fine, is paid for, and only has 66K miles.
 

woodie1

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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Crucial
Sounds to me like you are salty because you can't find a used car for what you want to pay for it.

Nope, doesn't bother me that much. It's winter time, and any 'fun' car I bought now would just sit in the garage anyway until the weather got nicer. Meanwhile, I'm enjoying NOT having to pay extra insurance, taxes, fees, etc., for a car I'd not even drive until April or later. This is just an optional purchase for me, just for thrills. My pickup runs just fine, is paid for, and only has 66K miles.

Then why the op?
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: woodie1
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Crucial
Sounds to me like you are salty because you can't find a used car for what you want to pay for it.

Nope, doesn't bother me that much. It's winter time, and any 'fun' car I bought now would just sit in the garage anyway until the weather got nicer. Meanwhile, I'm enjoying NOT having to pay extra insurance, taxes, fees, etc., for a car I'd not even drive until April or later. This is just an optional purchase for me, just for thrills. My pickup runs just fine, is paid for, and only has 66K miles.

Then why the op?

Just venting. ;)
Truth is, I occasionally get a little antsy, but I know the market's only going to go lower - few cars appreciate after only ~10 years, esp. massed-produced cars like Mustangs. The economy's supposed to be in the toilet for at least the next year, so there's no real rush on my part. I've waited 10+ years to have a 'cool' car again, so another 10 months or so isn't a big deal.