RANT: Israeli Occuptaion vs. Suicide Bombing is not Tit for Tat !

[polm]

I am so sick of the damn Militant groups in Palestine claiming that Israeli Occupation and Suicide Bombing are the same thing. That somehow Suicide Bombers are a valuable resistance to the Occupation.

As long as there are suicide bombers Israel MUST occupy. They MUST ! It isn't a choice they have. The bombings are a direct attack against Israeli civialians. The militants refuse to police themselves. Arafat refuses to police the militants. So if they wont, Israel has to do it.

This does not go both ways. The suicide bombing does NOTHING to bring occupation to a closer end. It NEVER will. It only has the power to make occupation last longer.

The fact that militant groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc. continue to deploy suicide bombers, and continue to refuse to make any effort to halt the violence (Link from today) it only proves that they DONT WANT AN END TO OCCUPATION. They want their people to continue to suffer. They DO NOT LOVE their Arab brother, sisters, and mothers. They are just trying to maintain control and power.

Israeli leadership has been pushed into a corner by the militant groups. Everytime the poeple start to come around to the idea of re-negotiations another Suicide Bomber goes off. This is done purposefully by the militant groups to continue the cycle of violence. A cycle ONLY THEY CAN STOP .Israel CANNOT STOP OCCUPATION UNTIL THE BOMBERS STOP COMING. THAT IS IT. IT DOES NOT GO BOTH WAYS!

 

[DaFinn]

Tit for Tat

Personally I like Tits better!

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: DaFinn

Tit for Tat

Personally I like Tits better!

I am a tat guy myself.

 

[EndGame]

Well, if it's not tit or tat, it's the udder ting!

 

[Lonyo]

Israel shouldn't exist at all.

 

[DaFinn]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Israel shouldn't exist at all.

So, you're a Tat guy...

 

[EagleKeeper]

Without the Israeli occupation, the groups would not be able to justify their existance.

 

[michaelh20]

Well of course tits exist and existed for many thousands of years, but do tats have a right to exist?

 

[woodie1]

Now cut that out...you have me all confused.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Without the Israeli occupation, the groups would not be able to justify their existance.

The stated goal of Hamas and other terror organizations fighting Israel is to destroy the state of Israel through Jihad. It is the moderates that claim to want an end to "occupation" and the moderates aren't the ones strapping explosives to their waist.

 

[Lonyo]

Israel started by invading the land of the Palestinians, if someone invaded your lands, would you not fight back? The native American Indians did eventually, because they started to get crushed by the settlers.

 

[Fausto]

Now these are some great tits.

 

[DaFinn]

Originally posted by: Fausto1
Now these are some great tits.

You go straight to the point don't you...

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: DaFinn

Originally posted by: Fausto1
Now these are some great tits.

You go straight to the point don't you...

There's no excuse for messing around when there's tits on the line, dammit!

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Israel started by invading the land of the Palestinians, if someone invaded your lands, would you not fight back? The native American Indians did eventually, because they started to get crushed by the settlers.

Let's assume for all practical purposes your version of history has some shred of truth to it. If I were in a situation you describe, I would fight back. However, my form of fighting back would not include the senseless and random murder of innocent men, women and children by crazed Islamic fundamentalists. Kind of invalidates your argument, don't you think?

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Israel started by invading the land of the Palestinians.

Where did you learn this, Revisionist History 101?

 

[Bulk Beef]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Israel started by invading the land of the Palestinians, if someone invaded your lands, would you not fight back? The native American Indians did eventually, because they started to get crushed by the settlers.

Follow your comparison to it's logical conclusion. Where does that leave the Palestinians?

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Israel started by invading the land of the Palestinians, if someone invaded your lands, would you not fight back? The native American Indians did eventually, because they started to get crushed by the settlers.

So you think the suicide bombs are actually intended to bring about an END to Occupation ?

 

[mrCide]

israel is illegally occupying palestinian land, they illegally migrated before israel was created, and now they continue to try to take over what's left of palestinian. that's why they're getting blown up, and thats why the palestinians hate them. regardless of what the groups claim, those kids and adults suicide bombing are doing it because of what israel is doing to them.

EDIT: if you think israel is occupying to 'protect' themselves you're SERIOUSLY ignorant and should perhaps either read up more on history and facts or shut the fck up.

edit 2; thers so much ignorance in your first post.. geeze. you think israrel will leave occupied land? ever? no, thats why this is an endless cycle because neither side will stop. remember when israel was going for peace and the PM got assassinated by israelies?

israel does more than just 'occupy,' they destroy.

 

[VBboy]

From all this, I conclude that most of you are unable to carry on a serious conversation about current political issues, and would rather have tits than peace! Shame

 

[Moonbeam]

Well over in my 'What's the point of executing a killer who has been forgiven by God' thread, people say that he or she still has to die and it doesn't matter because he or she is going to a better place. Well doesn't that apply to the Palistinians too. Their kids are going to heaven so what's the problem. So are the Jews they kill. Won't God sort it out. It's not like if you reversed everything and put the Jews in the Bantustans the Israelis have created and the Palistinians in tanks the Jews wouldn't be blowing up their kids too. Each is what he is by accident and each would be what the other is under the same circumstances.

 

[DaFinn]

Originally posted by: VBboy
From all this, I conclude that most of you are unable to carry on a serious conversation about current political issues, and would rather have tits than peace! Shame

Sorry... my bad!

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: mrCide
israel is illegally occupying palestinian land, they illegally migrated before israel was created, and now they continue to try to take over what's left of palestinian. that's why they're getting blown up, and thats why the palestinians hate them. regardless of what the groups claim, those kids and adults suicide bombing are doing it because of what israel is doing to them.

EDIT: if you think israel is occupying to 'protect' themselves you're SERIOUSLY ignorant and should perhaps either read up more on history and facts or shut the fck up.

edit 2; thers so much ignorance in your first post.. geeze. you think israrel will leave occupied land? ever? no, thats why this is an endless cycle because neither side will stop. remember when israel was going for peace and the PM got assassinated by israelies?

israel does more than just 'occupy,' they destroy.

Would you mind pointing out where you get your "history" and "facts"? If your "facts" are anything like what you claim to be facts/proof on your website, then you have got some serious issues regarding the definition of the words "fact" and "proof".

*Note* Putting up a list of car models and prices does not constitute proof that one could purchase a car for this amount, which you clearly imply.


MAKE MODEL YEAR STOCK # PRICE

Honda S2000 2001 22417 $1,050.00
Subaru WRX 2001 89927 $950.00
Honda Civic 1997 78872 $450.00
Ford Mustang GT 1999 32182 $700.00
Toyota Corolla 1998 27367 $600.00
GMC Yukon 2001 36789 $1,200.00
Chevrolet Corvette 1999 64522 $1,350.00
BMW X5 2000 20734 $4,900.00
Acura Integra 2001 27718 $750.00
Acura Legend 1997 13878 $840.00


Riiiight.....

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: mrCide
israel is illegally occupying palestinian land, they illegally migrated before israel was created, and now they continue to try to take over what's left of palestinian. that's why they're getting blown up, and thats why the palestinians hate them. regardless of what the groups claim, those kids and adults suicide bombing are doing it because of what israel is doing to them.

EDIT: if you think israel is occupying to 'protect' themselves you're SERIOUSLY ignorant and should perhaps either read up more on history and facts or shut the fck up.

edit 2; thers so much ignorance in your first post.. geeze. you think israrel will leave occupied land? ever? no, thats why this is an endless cycle because neither side will stop. remember when israel was going for peace and the PM got assassinated by israelies?

israel does more than just 'occupy,' they destroy.

That's what I was getting at, couldn't be bothered to explain it though. I got my sources from 3 different textbooks and a teacher, and some well educated frineds who actually care about politics and this sort of thing, and they agree with this post ^

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: mrCide
israel is illegally occupying palestinian land, they illegally migrated before israel was created,

How was jewish immigration pre 1947 Illegal ?

and now they continue to try to take over what's left of palestinian

I do beleive that settlements on occupied (land seized durring/after the 1967 war) should be returned to Palestine. SUICIDE BOMBINGS DO NOT BRING THIS GOAL ANY CLOSER TO ACHEIVEMENT

that's why they're getting blown up

my point is that the Terrorist groups who deploy suicide bombers do not do it because of occupation of territory seized after the 67 war. In-Fact they dont do it to stop occupation at all. They do it to continue the occupation. They do it to keep the struggle going. Becasue they know the ONLY option suicide bombing gives .. CONTINUED OCCUPATION.

and thats why the palestinians hate them. regardless of what the groups claim, those kids and adults suicide bombing are doing it because of what israel is doing to them.

I think the hate is a product of fear. That fear is taken advantage of by groups like Hamas on the Palestinian side, and by the Right-Wing govt. on the Israeli side.

EDIT: if you think israel is occupying to 'protect' themselves you're SERIOUSLY ignorant and should perhaps either read up more on history and facts or shut the fck up.

Please enlighten me on the historical facts that disprove my claim that SUICIDE BOMBING IS NOT A MEANS FOR ENDING OCCUPATION, AND IN-FACT ONLY STRENGTHENS OCCUPATION.

dit 2; thers so much ignorance in your first post.. geeze. you think israrel will leave occupied land? ever? no, thats why this is an endless cycle because neither side will stop. remember when israel was going for peace and the PM got assassinated by israelies?

Yes I do. They have in the past (Sinai Peninsula) . So I think you need to read a history book or two. Are you asking me if I remember when Rabbin was asasinated . Yes I do.

israel does more than just 'occupy,' they destroy.

You are correct. They do destroy. I want this occupation to end. I swear to you from the bottom of my heart I do. I pray 3 times a day that peace will come for both Israel and Palestine. The point of my thread was in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM an attempt to justify occupation. I was simply illustratint that SUICIDE BOMBING is not a valid means for rejecting the occupation. There are other ways. Look at Ghandi. Look at Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. The Suicide Bombing is used to extend occupation. I promise you this.