Rant:How can Bin Laden be wanted by the US? Seeing he's never been to the US, so it impossible for him to break US laws?

[DABANSHEE]

Yes, that's right.

Even the attack on the USS Cole occured in Yemani waters, so if he's responsable for that then he broke Yemani laws not US laws.

Also those bombs that were planted nearby the US embassies in Africa were not planted in the actually embassy they were planted either next door or across the road. So he there-fore broke the laws of those countries not the US.

The only national law that's consided extra-territorial in international law is treason & that only covers one's own citizens. Other than that, the only places the US can legally enforce its national laws extra-territorially is within US embassies & consulates & on US registed ships & aircraft while they are international waters or airspace (except where the US has signed treaties with other nations concerning its military personal & that only covers the US military personal if the crime is internal, as in the victim is also US military personel).

So if he was behind that attack where a truck drove through US barracks in Saudi Arabia, then that's a matter for Saudi law too.

Its like the US trying to extradite Columbians for crimes committed while those Columbians were in Columbia thus not under US law. Nowe if smuggling drugs out of Columbia is a crime in Columbia then its a Columbian matter only.

In Australia we had a case where a Ship brought in tons of Has from the middle east, then moored itself just outside the 200 mile limit & offloaded its cargo into a Yacht that sail out from Coffs Harbour. Well the govt only charged the people on the yacht for importing the drugs , they didn't do anything about the crew on the cargo ship as seeing it did not enter Australian waters, it thus did not import the drugs into Australia. All the ship did was smuggle the drugs out of Lebanese waters (which comes under Lebanese justiction) & transported the drugs across international waters (& seeing as the ship was registed in Liberia, then that part of the journey comes under Liberain law).

Really the only other nations that try & forces its laws on others, like the US is just France, Israel & China.

 

[Czar]

The US has that weird idea in their head that they control the world. It has to stop somewhere.

 

[compuwiz1]

The US has every right to want to capture someone who has caused damage to the US and it's citizens. He may not have ever been here, but that certainly does not clear him of any wrongdoings, for which he is punishable.



<< Even the attack on the USS Cole occured in Yemani waters, so if he's responsable for that then he broke Yemani laws not US laws. >>



He committed a crime to US property. What the hell are we supposed to do, let him and others of his ilk, get away with it each time?

 

[DABANSHEE]

No they don't, (you are just letting you emotions get the better of you, just like the way American prosecuters &amp; judges do) if he blew up that boat in Yeman then he broke Yemani laws not US laws, as Yeman has legal juristiction over Yeman not the US.

&quot;He committed a crime to US property. What the hell are we supposed to do, let him and others of his ilk, get away with it each time?&quot;

No, if he gets convicted in a Yemani court then the US govt can sue him for restitution in a Yemani civil court under Yemani law.

Just as say a American blew up the Australian Trade office in Sanfransico. It would be covered by Californian law &amp; the Australian govt could sue who ever was found guilty, for restitution in a Californian civil court.

 

[Czar]

But the US has no juristiction there. The crimes were not commited where the US has any right to pick up a stone there.

 

[8ball]

He has waged war with the US by attacking it's citizens and military. Are you to say if another country bombs a US military base in another country, the US shouldn't be able to do anything about it and leave it up to the other country?

 

[Youareaweaklink]

Bin Laden has been to the U.S.

He attended a college (not sure if which one now) and received military training. The US trains people who they believe will be in power, that way they have an influence there.

Bin Laden later decided that Americans are evil, and refers to all Western people (us) as devils.

He decided this after attending college, military training, and receiving some kind of funding from the US.

Go figure.

 

[Youareaweaklink]

BTW he has issued a command to all the people in his &quot;army&quot; to kill all Americans on sight.

 

[Czar]

A single person can not go to a war with a country, its just plain stupid for both parties.

 

[DABANSHEE]

&quot;BTW he has issued a command to all the people in his &quot;army&quot; to kill all Americans on sight&quot;

How do you know, were you there?

&quot;Bin Laden has been to the U.S.&quot;

Yes, that was years before, when the Russians were in Afghanistan &amp; Reagan was training &amp; supporting nutters like him..

He wasnt in the US while these attacks were planned or put into action &amp; the attacks happened in foreign juristiction anyway. So it doent really alter the point I was making.

 

[dennilfloss]

Wasn't he linked to the World Trade Center bombing? That's located on US soil.

A Horse With No Name (America)

 

[Czar]

hmm, but has he been found guilty? only &quot;linked&quot; is not enough :/

 

[Youareaweaklink]

CZAR:



<< The US has that weird idea in their head that they control the world. It has to stop somewhere. >>



Do you expect any country (a major power one) to allow a terrorists to attack it's military, citizens, and equipment in cowardly attacks?

You sir, are a ignorant d!ckhead. Bin Laden has killed innocent people at the Embassy's. He has killed American soldiers. He damaged an American ship that already cost the American tax payers billions of dollars. Taxes must pay for the ship that transported to be fixed, the repair cost, and the funerals of the U.S. service members.

BTW what the hell does Iceland do in the world? You sit on your island and do nothing. That is what you do.

Now, go in your back yard and cut some more ice for ice cubes to ship to the U.S. for my soda.

 

[8ball]

<< A single person can not go to a war with a country >>



I believe Saddam Insane was a single person who went to war with a country. He just had other people do the fighting. Just like this Ben Ladle whack.

 

[Czar]

Youareaweaklink

What is your problem, why are you attacking me, just have something relaxing to lower your blood presure. When I said that I´m not talking about this single incident, I´m talking about the howl matter. There is a reason why very very many countries have a grudge against the US, but this is something this thread is not about. I could list so many things that iceland has done for the world that its just not worth listing to you because your head is so far up your ass.

 

[Czar]

8ball

True, very true, just that saddam was the true leader of iraq and still is, sad realy.

 

[dennilfloss]

He's been charged with a crime.

&quot;American government sources told CNN, the Washington Post and the AP news agency that weeks before the explosions in Kenya and Tanzania a grand jury in New York indicted Osama bin Laden with soliciting violence against US citizens.

The indictment was not made public as it was sealed by the grand jury.

According to CNN, the jury was also shown evidence that the Saudi millionaire had financial links with an Islamic group called Al Mahajirou which has members in London and New York.&quot;

Kaif (Ministry)

 

[Czar]

Then the next step is requesting to the Yemen authorities that they capture him and bring him to international trial.

 

[DABANSHEE]

&quot;Do you expect any country (a major power one) to allow a terrorists to attack it's military, citizens, and equipment in cowardly attacks?&quot;

Well the US could make sure that its military was always under US jurisdiction by keeping its military in its own country, except when its at war.

If the US chooses to put its troops under another countries juridiction then that is their choice, but they then have to accept the consequences of that choice.

I don't think Australia's at any more risk of being attacked than the US, even though we have a policy of keeping our troops at home unless there's a war on.

 

[8ball]

If Jesse Jackson had an &quot;army&quot; and began terrorist actions against any foreign country, do you think that country would not want his head? The only difference here is that the US would actually give him up (unless of course he was secretly being funded by the government). Banana Ladel IS a leader, he's just not a government official.

 

[8ball]

<< Well the US could make sure that its military was always under US jurisdiction by keeping its military in its own country, except when its at war. >>



The US is in those countries with permission. Alot of countries would not want the US out. It keeps them safe. I take it you don't like the US in yours?

 

[burnedout]

Terrorism is war.

 

[sandorski]

Dabs: Good point, although I don't know anything of International law. The US can pretty much do whatever it wants with the Cold War over, it will suffer if it abuses it's power too much.

 

[dennilfloss]

Dabanshee,

A US military vessel is considered US soil for the same reason that captains on US cruise liners can perform valid marriage ceremonies when at sea. A similar reason is why sunken military ships remain possession of a country's military and not open to salvage (at least those from this century). You attack a naval vessel, you commit a crime against a country's territory.

Crime Of The Century Supertramp)

 

[DABANSHEE]

&quot;He's been charged with a crime.

&quot;American government sources told CNN, the Washington Post and the AP news agency that weeks before the explosions in Kenya and Tanzania a grand jury in New York indicted Osama bin Laden with soliciting violence against US citizens.&quot;

But the US had no right to charge him as killing US citizens is only aggainst US law, where the US has jurisdiction.

In Kenya &amp; Tanzania its actually against Kenyan &amp; Tanzanisn law to kill US citizens there.

Now if he planted those bombs inside the embassies then he did break US law but he planted them next door &amp; across the road, which is under local jursdiction.

But its not just Bin Laden I'm talking about , lets look at Columbia, where the US is trying to force its laws on Columbians in Columbia.

&quot;A US military vessel is considered US soil for the same reason that captains on US cruise liners can perform valid marriage ceremonies when at sea. A similar reason is why sunken military ships remain possession of a country's military and not open to salvage (at least those from this century). You attack a naval vessel, you commit a crime against a country's territory.&quot;

Yes, as I said before ships &amp; planes come under the law of the country in which they are registed while in international waters or airspace If what you said is the case then the Russians had no right to shoot down KAL007 even though an international court said they did have that right. Also a captain of an Italian freighter recently got charged with a crime that occured on his ship while it was in Australian waters, by the local police.

Also we had anti nuclear demonstrators attack the enterprise when it was last in Sydney harbour, with paint bombs &amp; effluent &amp; 2 crew members were hospitalised. Guess what those demonstrators were prosecuted in the local court under NSW law.