RANT: Dave and Buster Milpitas are a bunch of pricks and they HATE the military

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: PKPunk

Originally posted by: mugs
Why didn't your friend have his new driver's license with him?

I think they should have let him in because he was clearly old enough, but you won't get any sympathy from me if you're going to pull the "the hate the military" angle. :roll:

My buddy went to the DMV to renew the license but it takes about a week or so for them to mail you the new license. He had that printout license with him but it says not a ID all over it. and for the hate the military thing, you had to be there. I swear the guy took pleasure in turning down.

I would have had hte same reaction. The bouner's probably thought who cares and why do you think you are special.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: oogabooga
While a real asshole move on the part of the bouncer and management... It doesn't seem out of the stratosphere of reasonable. I have gotten into D&B with an expired ID (no hole punched in) but they wouldn't serve me alcohol. If I owned a bar, I would give people with Military Id's a discount, but that's just me and it is easy to say since I don't own a bar.

not saying anything for D&B, i hate that place, but I don't think they were terribly out of line. Your friend had an expired ID, and this D&B hates the military thing seems kinda petty.

Poor oung fool. That only fly'sif hte area has a strong military base. Yo uthink pople give discounts based on military IDs because you are special? They do it to get your money you dipsh!t

 

[LS20]

id sympathize and tell you that sucks, but id also love to say thats what he gets for going to such a LAMEass nationwide-chain establishment in a bunk ass ghetto small town. if he was coming from concord, why not meet in SF?


-trojan, c/o 2000

 

[trmiv]

Originally posted by: LS20
id sympathize and tell you that sucks, but id also love to say thats what he gets for going to such a LAMEass nationwide-chain establishment in a bunk ass ghetto small town. if he was coming from concord, why not meet in SF?


-trojan, c/o 2000

Maybe not everyone wants to hang out in SF? I personally try to avoid SF unless I really, really, really have to go there.

 

[wheresmybacon]

Originally posted by: MaxDepth
Don't play the military angle excpet to tell it to your local TV news station. Just say, "my buddy just got discharged and the only thing he wanted to do was go have some fun at D&B. Too bad they refused him entry and took our money without a refund."

Let the news show do the work for you. Nothing like a little bad press to make people hop to it. But please don't call them anti-military. Stupid is strong enough.

totally agree. local news eats up sh!t like this. :thumbsup:

 

[PKPunk]

Originally posted by: Citrix
expired Driver license and a Vaild Military ID

if your friend was discharged his military ID was not valid. there is a expire date on the front of the card and its never past your end of enlistment date.

Edit: since when does the military ID not have eye color??? I smell something fishy here.

I think I'm using the wrong terms here. My friend is Marine reservist, he's still in the reserves, by discarge I mean I mean they let him go back his normal life, he was sent down to San deigo for about a year.

When I asked my friend why they didn't take his military id he said because it didn't have his eye color.

Edit: and to those people who are calling me petty, that's fine. Cause I was super pissed that this happend. We drove out for a hour to get there and yea his drivers license is expired but he did have a vaild government issued ID. This guy just decided to be a jerk for the sake of being a jerk and if you heard him talk you could hear it in voice. And for god's sake it was his birthday

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: PKPunk

Originally posted by: Citrix
expired Driver license and a Vaild Military ID

if your friend was discharged his military ID was not valid. there is a expire date on the front of the card and its never past your end of enlistment date.

Edit: since when does the military ID not have eye color??? I smell something fishy here.

I think I'm using the wrong terms here. My friend is Marine reservist, he's still in the reserves, by discarge I mean I mean they let him go back his normal life, he was sent down to San deigo for about a year.

When I asked my friend why they didn't take his military id he said because it didn't have his eye color.

Modern military ID cards do not have eye color listed on them, though it is encoded onto the RFID chip embedded on the card itself. They wouldn't have the equipment to read that chip regardless though.

 

[allisolm]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Modern military ID cards do not have eye color listed on them, though it is encoded onto the RFID chip embedded on the card itself. They wouldn't have the equipment to read that chip regardless though.

My military dependent ID has my eye color and my husband's military ID has his eye color. Maybe it varies from service to service?

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: hungfarover

Originally posted by: MaxDepth
Don't play the military angle excpet to tell it to your local TV news station. Just say, "my buddy just got discharged and the only thing he wanted to do was go have some fun at D&B. Too bad they refused him entry and took our money without a refund."

Let the news show do the work for you. Nothing like a little bad press to make people hop to it. But please don't call them anti-military. Stupid is strong enough.

totally agree. local news eats up sh!t like this. :thumbsup:

Word.

I don't see the military hating thing going on, per se, but I do think they were being anal-retentive dummies.
Additionally I really thought that the Military ID thing was considered a valid form of ID. To me it seems like if they were using the eye color excuse then they were just looking for something to be pricks about.

 

[KarenMarie]

They sucked for not giving you guys a refund. But that was their choice.

But they were well within their rights not to accept any ID they don't want.

They should have given you your money back. I bet there are at least five of you who will never spend a dime with them. Word of mouth... thru the military and this might hurt them.

But it is wrong to say that they are anti military.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Edit: since when does the military ID not have eye color??? I smell something fishy here.

Started phasing the new smart cards in around 2000...such information is on a chip embedded in the card. The face of the card only shows picture, name, rank, and social (and Geneva Conventions category)

Originally posted by: PKPunk

I think I'm using the wrong terms here. My friend is Marine reservist, he's still in the reserves, by discarge I mean I mean they let him go back his normal life, he was sent down to San deigo for about a year.

Ah, makes more sense then. Relased from active duty (REFRAD) might be better.

More and more places in California (and Texas for that matter) seem to not accept the military ID and ask for a state-issued ID over the past few years...no idea why

Oh, and for what it's worth, I'd kill to get stationed in San Diego...that's hardly "duty"

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Citrix
expired Driver license and a Vaild Military ID

if your friend was discharged his military ID was not valid. there is a expire date on the front of the card and its never past your end of enlistment date.

Edit: since when does the military ID not have eye color??? I smell something fishy here.

Actually you don't have a clue.......

I have a military id. It does not have my eye color or any other info about me printed on it except for my name and picture.

All military ids now are smart cards and all the important information is on the chip encrypted.

As for expiration date, I am pretty sure they don't tie it to enlistment date. I especially don't think that is the case because I don't have an enlistment date. My ID is just valid for 3 years from the date of issue.

So yeah, you don't smell anything fishy.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: allisolm

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Modern military ID cards do not have eye color listed on them, though it is encoded onto the RFID chip embedded on the card itself. They wouldn't have the equipment to read that chip regardless though.

My military dependent ID has my eye color and my husband's military ID has his eye color. Maybe it varies from service to service?

Do you have the older 'green' military IDs, or the new white Common Access Card IDs? I don't know if dependents/retirees got the white CAC cards.

I'm active duty USAF, and just got a new ID card in Aug, so mine is pretty recent.

Edit - Not sure what color the dependent/retiree IDs are, orange or blue, I think.

 

[xanis]

Don't go playing the military hate thing, because I don't think it was prejudice so much as it was D&B employees being total tools.

 

[brtspears2]

If they don't let your friend in, that's fine, private property.

I can see how you are mad that you didn't get your cover charge back. What can you really do? Just write a letter to the corporate office, explain the situation, and perhaps get a freebie from them. Else, move on. You decide if you want to go back or not.

Personally, of the 8 D&B locations I have visited, Milpitas is the darkest and lamest of them all.

 

[allisolm]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: allisolm

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Modern military ID cards do not have eye color listed on them, though it is encoded onto the RFID chip embedded on the card itself. They wouldn't have the equipment to read that chip regardless though.

My military dependent ID has my eye color and my husband's military ID has his eye color. Maybe it varies from service to service?

Do you have the older 'green' military IDs, or the new white Common Access Card IDs? I don't know if dependents/retirees got the white CAC cards.

I'm active duty USAF, and just got a new ID card in Aug, so mine is pretty recent.

Edit - Not sure what color the dependent/retiree IDs are, orange or blue, I think.

That's probably it, then. They don't care what info is on us old folks' cards since they don't figure we'll fall into enemy hands - or if we do they'll give us back so fast theywon't even notice what our eye color is.

 

[MrCodeDude]

If one of you were 25+, you could have been the other one's "parent."

 

[Imported]

This actually happened to me too, at the same Milpitas D&Bs back in July. Friend didn't have his license on him but had military ID. It took us like 30 minutes before they finally let him in. The whole situation was pretty much bullshit from my perspective.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Not exactly hating, but definitely stupidity. You should have tried to contact a manager or anyone else higher than the bouncer and his manager. Dunno how you would have done that though. Call the place and ask for the general manager (as opposed to dept. manager) Last I checked, a military ID is a totally valid form of ID. As valid as any driver's license.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: PAB

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I thought a military ID was a valid form of identification?

It is, but you have to remember - IT'S MILPITAS.

And that means?

Let's try with an analogy

Bay Area :: Military
Middle East :: Jews

 

[SonnyDaze]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: allisolm

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Modern military ID cards do not have eye color listed on them, though it is encoded onto the RFID chip embedded on the card itself. They wouldn't have the equipment to read that chip regardless though.

My military dependent ID has my eye color and my husband's military ID has his eye color. Maybe it varies from service to service?

Do you have the older 'green' military IDs, or the new white Common Access Card IDs? I don't know if dependents/retirees got the white CAC cards.

I'm active duty USAF, and just got a new ID card in Aug, so mine is pretty recent.

Edit - Not sure what color the dependent/retiree IDs are, orange or blue, I think.

Military retiree ID cards are like the old ID cards (not smart cards) and they are Blue in color (at least mine is from the USMC). Oh and the expiration date is INDEF (Indefinite). I believe the wife has an orange one still (dependent ID). I also work Civil Service on base and we are issued the smart cards for ID's.

 

[uberman]

Get some folding aluminum chairs, some American flags, a uniform is nice, and print out some leaflets explaining how this business does not support the troops. Make up some signs too. Plant yourself outside the establishment, but on public property to rally support for the troops. Preferably, on Friday afternoon/evening, to impact sales. Maybe then they'll embrace the military rather than rejecting it. Singing is helpful too, God Bless America, something like that, you could even play a CD of patriotic music.

 

[Crimzon]

Originally posted by: uberman
Get some folding aluminum chairs, some American flags, a uniform is nice, and print out some leaflets explaining how this business does not support the troops. Make up some signs too. Plant yourself outside the establishment, but on public property to rally support for the troops. Preferably, on Friday afternoon/evening, to impact sales. Maybe then they'll embrace the military rather than rejecting it. Singing is helpful too, God Bless America, something like that, you could even play a CD of patriotic music.

There is no outright public property anywhere near the front door. There is a giant parking lot surrounding it, and surrounding all that are apartment complexes and the rest of the 'mall'. To be on public property they would be hundreds of yards away, near the entrance to the whole complex. So they wouldn't really effect direct customers of D&B's.

 

[uberman]

You can just get the cars where they are driving in and try to be really visible to other passer bys. There's always a way even mutiple groups at several entrances waving flags, holding signs and passing out leaflets.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Just out of curiosity... if I came down from Canada and wanted to go into a bar in the States... will you take foreign passports/driver licenses as valid forms of identification?