*rant* Color Blindness vs. Valuing Group Differences

happykitten

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<happykitten rant>

I've noticed that recentnly, there have been a significant number of threads dealing with the issue of race. I've heard a lot of people voice the opinion: &quot;I don't care if he's black, white, green, or purple-I'm going to judge him by his job performance and the kind of person he is!&quot; Statements like that (from people who follow a &quot;color-blind&quot; ideology) promote the idea that race shouldn't affect the way people are treated, and should therefore be disregarded and even ignored completely.

I suppose this view may be appropriate at times, but overall, I think it can be harmful and dangerous. Why?

First of all, in schools, the workplace, etc., the values of getting to know about other cultures and learning to live and work alongside culturally different people are very important. Maintaining a color-blind ideology keeps people from enriching their perspectives and capitalizing on their cultural diversity.

Secondly, a color-blind way of thinking desensitizes members of a domimant group to the value placed on group membership by members of minority or disadvantaged groups (exemplified by people who are annoyed and ask things like: &quot;Why does BET exist?&quot; &quot;Why is it okay to have an Asian Student Association on campus and not a White Student Association?&quot; etc., etc.). There has been research done that shows many White Americans proudly state they look at the world through a &quot;color-blind&quot; lens, refusing (with apparent sincerity) to even recognize that Whites, Blacks, Asians, etc. differ in important ways. Yet the blacks and Asians in the same research done regarded their group membership as meaningful and important to them. Based on their life experiences, most of them believed that race DOES matter in America, and used their group membership as a source of pride.

From this perspective, color-blindness denies an important social identity and may even be taken as a demand for assimilation. It would be an unfair practice for members of minority groups to adapt to the values and customs of the dominant White group.

A balance is required... members of different groups should be able to share common goals, work together, and maintain their own group memberships as sources of identity and self esteem at the same time. Even though it might sound appealing, &quot;color-blindness&quot; is a way of thinking that denies both the reality and the value of group differences and is not the answer to conflict and misunderstanding between different people.

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GL

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Interesting. Need to think about this one. All I know is that until I was about 6 or 7 years old I really did look through the world in a colourblind way. I grew up in a very multicultural family and thought this was the norm and since there weren't any idiots, a$$holes or otherwise bad people in my extended family...I didn't make an incorrect correlation between race and certain behaviour. It wasn't until other people who weren't from a multicultural family started to comment about how my family was &quot;weird&quot; (not in a bad way...weird as in different...you know how kids are), that I started to take notice. And it wasn't until high school that I noticed that the issue of race became a big factor in socializing.

-GL
 

Soybomb

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<< I'm going to judge him by his job performance >>


I think you hit the nail on the head with that. A person in a manager has no reason not to be &quot;color blind.&quot; As a manager I shouldn't judge a person based on anything other than their performance. Obviously some racial understanding is important for giving time off for culturaly signifigant days, etc but other wise why should a persons race be of any more concern to a manager than the persons sex? Unless you want the manager to say &quot;Well, its okay, its just pms, she's a bit snippy today&quot; ;) :)
 

happykitten

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<< ...&quot;weird&quot; (not in a bad way...weird as in different...you know how kids are), that I started to take notice. And it wasn't until high school that I noticed that the issue of race became a big factor in socializing. >>



GL ~ your situation is interesting... what kind of an effect did &quot;taking notice&quot; have? Do you feel that recognizating the issue of race was a positive/negative/some combination of both factor?
 

happykitten

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Soybomb ~ agreed... I think color-blindness may be an appropriate and even desirable approach in some organizations where job performance can be objectively measured and used to rank and reward people independent of their race or other group memberships. I can't think of any other situation in which it would be benefitial, though... anyone else?

EDIT - re: PMS, that was me the entire week before Spring Break... thank goodness that's over! (for another month, at least o_O) BTW... sorry, dannylove... I still feel bad about snapping at you like that. :(
 

Imported

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<< There has been research done that shows many White Americans proudly state they look at the world through a &quot;color-blind&quot; lens, refusing (with apparent sincerity) to even recognize that Whites, Blacks, Asians, etc. differ in important ways. Yet the blacks and Asians in the same research done regarded their group membership as meaningful and important to them. Based on their life experiences, most of them believed that race DOES matter in America, and used their group membership as a source of pride. >>




Maybe it's a good thing I'm half white and half Asian..

Anyways, I think that color-blindness would be acceptable for hiring someone for a job, but outside of that, it differs on the person I guess. Mainly, I like to learn about other cultures, their beliefs, values, etc. It's good to know those things thats makes us all different in our own way.
 

happykitten

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illkid ~ Agreed... :) Out of curiosity, do you identify more with being white or being Asian, if either at all? I have quite a few 1/2 Asian and 1/2 White friends, and almost all of them identify more with their Asian heritage. Two of them, though, check &quot;White&quot; without hesitation when given surveys or job/college applications requesting race, and don't identify with their Asian heritage at all. To each his own...
 

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I would have to say I identify more with being Asian than white. More than half of my friends are Asian which is what I'm going by I guess. For filling out forms though, I usually put Asian as the first, white as the second. It doesn't have an option for two, I just mark down &quot;other&quot;.
 

jhu

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colorblindness is due to a lack of color photopigment cells (ie cones).
 

GL

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happykitten,

As far as who I associate more with, I'd have to say I associate a lot with neither. If I'm out of Canada, I'm Canadian. When I'm with Canadians then I'm Filipino and Irish. Although I love both Irish and Filipino culture, I'm very much Canadianized. Whenever there is some form or question that just can't accomodate more than one race I'm very stubborn in saying it the way it is which is &quot;Filipino and Irish&quot;.

The best thing I've learned from being conscious of race is that the culture behind different races is very rich and beautiful. This is why I hate homogenization and despise the melting pot theory. As much as the belief in multiculturalism has been difficult for Canada, I really think people are starting to see its benefits. Ask any Canadian on here what it means to be Canadian and you won't get a single answer. In fact, I think the only thing that Canadians have in common from coast to coast is a belief in tolerance for different people. This doesn't mean Canadians are accepting (I think it'll take quite some time for that to happen) but we're great tolerators. So when I roll up to the local McDonald's and the menus are in English and Chinese, then head off to Pacific Mall where everything's in Chinese, then head to the hospital where everything's in English, French, Punjabi and Arabic, I'm actually quite proud. This really pisses off people but this is new culture and culture has so much to offer a society...so I'm all for it.

The worst things I've learned about racism are; that it will exist perpetually. It's all about ignorance. People can be innocently racist or quite arrogantly and harshly racist. Racism is black vs. white, white vs. black, yellow vs. black, white vs. yellow, yellow vs. black, white vs. white, black vs. black, yellow vs yellow etc. I've also learned that racism is usually a sign of much worse things in a person.

I could go on and on, but I think North America is generally moving towards tolerance of other races and it's got quite a ways to go before that tolerance becomes acceptance.

-GL
 

SVTPower

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I see nothing wrong with being color blind. If I accept all people as humans that are made equally then whats up. Culture is fun to learn and trust me I have done my fair share of learning a lot of history especially, but welcome to the USA (MELTING POT) We are not here to see about our differences, we are here to put all of our greatest abilities TOGETHER to create the greatest country in the world.
 

Shazam

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<< then head off to Pacific Mall where everything's in Chinese >>

My God, there's a Pacific Mall in Toronto??? It should be named the &quot;Atlantic&quot; Mall ;)
 

I would say that you need color blindness in economic and government systems.
Its not the fact that your race should not be recogonized, its the fact that because you are of a certain race, you should not get special treatment.
Your a human, when I meet you, your a person, with ideas and thoughts no matter the race.
Being color blind in a sense of people being ignorant of someone elses race, well, thats a different story I think.
 

GL

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Shazam,

I've been told it's named after a Hong Kong mall called &quot;Pacific Place&quot;. Go figure...it's kind of like those &quot;English Tudor&quot; homes they're building in the burbs here:confused:

BTW, the reason I don't like the melting pot is because there's always one group of people deciding what goes in the pot and what stays out and usually what stays out is a lot of great stuff (not to mention not a lot of stuff goes in...it's quite bland;))

-GL
 

happykitten

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GL ~ who/what you choose to associate with is definitely going to change, depending on the context of the situation... BTW, going to the Pacific Mall is so much fun (I visited the one in Vancouver)!! Plenty of Hello Kitty stuff everywhere... :) Although HK's influence is spreading... I think every Hallmark has a display now. :)

SVTPower ~ *sigh* Perfect example.

Off to bed... good night, all.
 

SVTPower

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SVTPower ~ *sigh* Perfect example

Of what, accepting life in the USA for what it is.

Happy Kitten you are right that a view here can be Harmful, but you are on the wrong side, was there more trouble for blacks here during the 1700's - early 1900's or is there more harm in them being accepted as a Human being??

My wife is 1/2 Japanese, and she's the most beatiful woman I've ever met. I have read much on her heritage during my days of school and in spare time. So atleast I can say it from a side that has been exposed to taking the time to learn culture. But I can tell you my LOVE for her was never effected by WHAT she was.. it was ALWAYS WHO she was, PERIOD.

I really am missing the Balance your talkin about thats required, Can you please explain to me what these are? If your being accepted as a human as I see a white person to a white person or white to black then thats wrong?
 

Aquaman

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I think of myself as an 'In-betweener' I'm 100% Chinese (Toisan - Cantonese) and I feel like I'm between cultures :confused: I think of myself as a Canadian first because this is were I was born. I don't really fit into my chinese culture because my language skills are not up to par (I can understand but not speak or write). Yet I don't really fit into my 'Western' culture because I am a minority :( A lot of my school friends are in the same situation (chinese &amp; east indian).

I love both of my Chinese ethnicity &amp; Western culture and I feel that I'm open to a lot of cultural experiences (which is lucky because I love to travel).

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

datalink7

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Happy Kitten--

One has to remember somthing. THe color of ones skin DOES NOT define ones ethnicity. When people say that they strive for a color blind society, it is nothing but noble. Nothing but good can come of it.

You are speaking of something else entierly, and are mixing up race with ethnicity. We should not ignore ethnicity. This is what creates diversity. Not the ratio of black/white/asian/hispanics/etc. within a setting such as a workplace.

I guarentee that if you took a white child, put it in a Asian family, and they treated him/her exactly as one of their own, that Child will be Asain ethnically. Race doesn't matter.