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Rant against the ADA

Tsaico

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I have a separate garage (it is just a room with a garage door, no heater or anything else) that I wanted to turn into a "man cave". It was a simple project, where I would just lay carpet in most of the "room". For the urninal, shitter, and shower I was going to build a small platform so I didn't have to cut cement, just a hole in the wall to run sewage pipe to outside connect. Pretty much think of this part of the room as raised where I could run the plumbing underneath the platform, so there would be a step to go up, then into the facilites. My change of use building permit was rejected because, should I ever sell the house, the addition would not be compliant with ADA specifications. I need to build a ramp that is 48" long instead of a single 5" step, and the little bathroom I would put in would have to be an additional 3 feet wider (the origional plan is just four feet wide)and overall all around another foot so it can accomodate a wheel chair around the entire platform. More or less doubling the size of the platform. Also, my door for the little bathroom was going to be a small shutter door, so it scrolls up and down, but apparently that is unacceptable for an interior door. (not really ADA, but dumb none the less)

Also, my gray water toilet ( a toilet with a sink over the water tank, instead of a separate toilet and sink, is also non compliant, since the garage wouldn't have an alternate source of water. So all in all, I have to take it back to the contractor to redesign it, or just get rid of my bathroom idea.

I don't see why the addition to the house has to be ADA compliant, since the rest of the place is not, not to mention there are many homes that wouldn't work, like an two story house, new or otherwise...

/rant
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I owe the ADA an apology. It turns out the change of use permit was turned down because when it was described as a separate structure, they thought I was building a new building for commercial purposes, not modifying an exisiting one. The lady at the office doesn't think it will be a problem now, though I need a specific permit to deal with the sewage line, so two permits are needed.
And I think I will also replace contractor. Seems other than the drawings, I have been doing all the work. I might as well do a little more and get my own plumber, my own carpet guy, and my own electrician to do the work and save myself 30% ish, maybe more. So really, maybe I owe the ADA a thank you for getting my origional permit denied even if it was a misunderstanding.
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techs

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You got a problem with the American Dental Association you anti-dentite?
 

mugs

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I thought the ADA only applied to places of public accommodation... I mean, there are many houses with steps and no ramp to get in. I just put a bathroom in that's only 33" wide. The requirement was that the center of the bowl be at least 16" from each side wall, and the long dimension had to be at least 60"

There's no way a wheelchair could fit into my bathroom. Some fat people couldn't even fit into my bathroom. The door is only 24" wide


Why are you putting a shower in a "man cave"? Are you turning this into an apartment to rent?

This is why you don't bother with permits.

Skipping the permit for a minor change probably isn't going to hurt you, but something big like adding a room could bite you if you ever plan on selling the house.
 
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xSauronx

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This is why you don't bother with permits.

he involved a contractor...apparently a legitimate one that likes to do things by the book

SUCKER

do it yourself, buy a handy friend a case of beer to help and fuck the permits. youre modifying your home, not building a major new addition or something.
 

kedlav

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http://www.ada.gov/q&aeng02.htm

Q. Does the ADA cover private apartments and private homes?

A. The ADA does not cover strictly residential private apartments and homes. If, however, a place of public accommodation, such as a doctor's office or day care center, is located in a private residence, those portions of the residence used for that purpose are subject to the ADA's requirements.

Either filled out the wrong permit or full of it...
 

Tsaico

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I thought the ADA only applied to places of public accommodation... I mean, there are many houses with steps and no ramp to get in. I just put a bathroom in that's only 33" wide. The requirement was that the center of the bowl be at least 16" from each side wall, and the long dimension had to be at least 60"

There's no way a wheelchair could fit into my bathroom. Some fat people couldn't even fit into my bathroom. The door is only 24" wide


Why are you putting a shower in a "man cave"? Are you turning this into an apartment to rent?

That is what I thought, but the phone call I got from the city told me new buildings have to be compliant. Since the garage is a separate building, I guess it is covered. I will be calling them tomorrow.
As for a shower, why not? If I am putting in a urinal and a toilet, anther 4x4 feet and I have a shower too. As for it being an apartment, it wouldn't work. I am not adding any heating elements, nor is there anything for cooking/washing, gas lines, etc. My grill would be right outside for cooking, and the thing is by the pool, so the shower/bathroom would be good for the people who are swimming, so they can go in here, instead of in the main house.
 

Tsaico

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http://www.ada.gov/q&aeng02.htm

Q. Does the ADA cover private apartments and private homes?

A. The ADA does not cover strictly residential private apartments and homes. If, however, a place of public accommodation, such as a doctor's office or day care center, is located in a private residence, those portions of the residence used for that purpose are subject to the ADA's requirements.

Either filled out the wrong permit or full of it...

Interesting. I will call them tommorrow. Perhaps it is the wrong permit. The contractor filled it out. If he did the wrong one, would be a good reason to get rid of him...
 

BoomerD

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Originally Posted by kedlav
http://www.ada.gov/q&aeng02.htm

Q. Does the ADA cover private apartments and private homes?

A. The ADA does not cover strictly residential private apartments and homes. If, however, a place of public accommodation, such as a doctor's office or day care center, is located in a private residence, those portions of the residence used for that purpose are subject to the ADA's requirements.

Either filled out the wrong permit or full of it...

Interesting. I will call them tommorrow. Perhaps it is the wrong permit. The contractor filled it out. If he did the wrong one, would be a good reason to get rid of him...


Unless this is a county/state ordinance, something is wrong here. Therre's no reason the modifications would need to be ADA compliant.

I'd ask for a copy of the specific ordinance.(s)

I'm not surprised that they shot down the raised platform idea for your plumbing though. I'd be very surprised if that met code.
 
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preCRT

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What government body requires this? Check your town's zoning bylaws. If they are crazy enough to require it, apply for a variance to the ZBA.
 

DrPizza

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Maybe the contractor thinks that by forcing these changes, he'll have more places where he can make more money from you. Change contractors - at the very least, he's not competent about the permit process.
 

preslove

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Yeah, if your contractor is too stupid to get this right, he'll probably fuck up your man cave. I can't imagine any town crazy enough to require private dwellings to be ADA compliant.
 

FelixDeCat

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Maybe the contractor thinks that by forcing these changes, he'll have more places where he can make more money from you. Change contractors - at the very least, he's not competent about the permit process.

That or he is looking to pad the bill. :eek:
 

OutHouse

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glad your town got the issue resolved.

that sewer line could be big bucks to put in.