Rand Paul is a traitor too?

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Yes I'm projecting and yes I don't like rand however I never expected him to not be a Patriot.
With known Russian meddling in our elections I find it odd that all of a sudden Politicians are cuddling up to Russia, I cannot avoid the thought that they are doing it to avoid interference in their re-elections. I am greatly disappointed with Rand today.
Just like the Presidents meeting, this meeting appeared to have no point other than to suck up to an adversary.

Sen. Rand Paul on Monday invited Russian lawmakers to Washington after meeting Russian members of parliament in Moscow.

"I am pleased to announced that we will be continuing this contact," Paul, a Kentucky Republican, said in Moscow. "We agreed and we invited members of the Foreign Affairs Committee of Russia to come to the US to meet with us in the US, in Washington."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/06/politics/rand-paul-russia-lawmaker-invite-maria-butina/index.html
 

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yea whatever respect I had for the dude is now gone. All he cares about is getting reelected.
 

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I'm asking because I'm truly ignorant on topics like this. But what right or authority does Rand Paul have discussing topics like this?

Also....Slutsky is asking for Maria Butina back. <Butthead>Huh huh huh...Slutsky</Butthead>


Russian state media also reported that Slutsky asked Paul about Maria Butina, the Russian national charged with conspiracy to act as an agent of Russia within the US.
"We are interested in non-proliferation (of small and medium-range missiles). We are interested (in the topic of) sanctions, we are interested in Maria Butina and her early release. We will continue our conversation with our American counterparts tomorrow on these and other most likely regional issues of the international agenda," Slutsky said, according to Russian state media. "We hope and expect that our colleagues will conduct the necessary consultations with Washington, and tomorrow we can consult about a roadmap and the plan of actions (on Butina's case)."
 

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I'm asking because I'm truly ignorant on topics like this. But what right or authority does Rand Paul have discussing topics like this?

Also....Slutsky is asking for Maria Butina back. <Butthead>Huh huh huh...Slutsky</Butthead>


Russian state media also reported that Slutsky asked Paul about Maria Butina, the Russian national charged with conspiracy to act as an agent of Russia within the US.
"We are interested in non-proliferation (of small and medium-range missiles). We are interested (in the topic of) sanctions, we are interested in Maria Butina and her early release. We will continue our conversation with our American counterparts tomorrow on these and other most likely regional issues of the international agenda," Slutsky said, according to Russian state media. "We hope and expect that our colleagues will conduct the necessary consultations with Washington, and tomorrow we can consult about a roadmap and the plan of actions (on Butina's case)."
They are already trying to wave a bargaining chip at him. He and they should all go F themselves.
 

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My issue with OP thread title is "too?" Or maybe just the "?"

He's a weasel and a traitor.
 

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Wow. Just wow. Understand this: The GOP is actively seeking friendly relations with a hostile foreign government that has, and still is attacking our networks and elections. The ONLY answer is, the attack was and is meant to further GOP interests. There is no other reason for GOP leaders to be working with a hostile foreign government that has been proven to have actively attacked our networks and interfered in our elections and is still actively doing so.

This is nothing short of treason. Full stop.
 
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I'm asking because I'm truly ignorant on topics like this. But what right or authority does Rand Paul have discussing topics like this?

Also....Slutsky is asking for Maria Butina back. <Butthead>Huh huh huh...Slutsky</Butthead>


Russian state media also reported that Slutsky asked Paul about Maria Butina, the Russian national charged with conspiracy to act as an agent of Russia within the US.
"We are interested in non-proliferation (of small and medium-range missiles). We are interested (in the topic of) sanctions, we are interested in Maria Butina and her early release. We will continue our conversation with our American counterparts tomorrow on these and other most likely regional issues of the international agenda," Slutsky said, according to Russian state media. "We hope and expect that our colleagues will conduct the necessary consultations with Washington, and tomorrow we can consult about a roadmap and the plan of actions (on Butina's case)."

What are we the US going to get out of these talks? I see what Russia wants to get out of them, Rand please tell me what I will get out of the talks.
 

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There's nothing wrong with talking to our enemies - it's a good thing in fact! I don't get a sense that our government has any coherent strategy or objective for doing so right now though, which is bad.
 
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"State Duma Foreign Affairs committee head Leonid Slutsky" :D
 

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The Russian spy infiltrated conservative groups. We know where the Republicans borsch is buttered
 

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The Russian spy infiltrated conservative groups. We know where the Republicans borsch is buttered
This is going to go deep. There are a lot of conservative political hacks that are looking over their shoulders right now.
 
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There's nothing wrong with talking to our enemies - it's a good thing in fact! I don't get a sense that our government has any coherent strategy or objective for doing so right now though, which is bad.

While I agree with this statement. I am concerned that there is no stated goal. I am concerned there is not a stated strategy to deal with hacking/meddling.
 
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This is going to go deep. There are a lot of conservative political hacks that are looking over their shoulders right now.

One might call it "Deep State". In fact that perfectly fits, because we've seen that there's this hidden financial system setup for the wealthy, that has been affecting governance around the world via shadow payments and other manipulation. And yes, as usual the Republicans/Conservatives are guilty of the thing they cry about most.
 

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Russian state media also reported that Slutsky asked Paul about Maria Butina, the Russian national charged with conspiracy to act as an agent of Russia within the US.
"We are interested in non-proliferation (of small and medium-range missiles). We are interested (in the topic of) sanctions, we are interested in Maria Butina and her early release. We will continue our conversation with our American counterparts tomorrow on these and other most likely regional issues of the international agenda," Slutsky said, according to Russian state media. "We hope and expect that our colleagues will conduct the necessary consultations with Washington, and tomorrow we can consult about a roadmap and the plan of actions (on Butina's case)."
Now this is an interesting statement, because of what's in the parentheses. Is that how he actually said it, or did the reporter add that context? Usually reporters would use "[]" and not "()" though.

I find that statement interesting because the way its phrased doesn't necessarily limit non-proliferation to nuclear missiles; it very clearly includes missile defense systems within the "non-proliferation" goal.

Also, back to the Maria Butina thing...I need to find a link but I remember Maddow saying part of the reason she's being held without bond is due to a credible concern that Russia would secretly transport her to the Russian embassy in DC, where she could be held with impunity or more easily smuggled out of the country. Sounds like the Russians are quite concerned over what she might reveal...
 

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There's nothing wrong with talking to our enemies - it's a good thing in fact! I don't get a sense that our government has any coherent strategy or objective for doing so right now though, which is bad.

Even if it would be to tell them to !@#$ off, at least that'd be coherent. Right now it's a bunch of different people doing their own thing.
 
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Now this is an interesting statement, because of what's in the parentheses. Is that how he actually said it, or did the reporter add that context? Usually reporters would use "[]" and not "()" though.

I find that statement interesting because the way its phrased doesn't necessarily limit non-proliferation to nuclear missiles; it very clearly includes missile defense systems within the "non-proliferation" goal.

Also, back to the Maria Butina thing...I need to find a link but I remember Maddow saying part of the reason she's being held without bond is due to a credible concern that Russia would secretly transport her to the Russian embassy in DC, where she could be held with impunity or more easily smuggled out of the country. Sounds like the Russians are quite concerned over what she might reveal...

She’s the gun girl right? If so when the FBI picked her up, her bags were packed, she emptied a bank account (which I think triggered the arrest) and left a note for her landlord saying nice place, thanks for housing me and I won’t be back.
Honestly it’s not weird that the Russian embassy would take her in. I’d like to think the US embassy would take me in if I were up on charges in Russia. Trump may order my release after my AT P&N posts are revealed but that’s another subject.
 
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Younigue

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Never liked Paul however I never looked at him as someone who’d suck Putin’s cock either.
I'm not surprised. I always thought he was a weasel and much like so many House "Republicans" he sold his soul. Patriotism plays no role in a soulless person's "thoughts and prayers" or actions and choices. Cowardice does, greed does, fear does but loyalty, integrity, decency, dignity... not so much. He's being exactly who I've always assumed him to be.
 

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There's nothing wrong with talking to our enemies - it's a good thing in fact! I don't get a sense that our government has any coherent strategy or objective for doing so right now though, which is bad.
Do you believe it's talking in the political sense of the word? Or even true negotiation and/or diplomatic discussion?

Because to me it looks like conspiring and kowtowing AND surrender.
 

Jaskalas

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Do you believe it's talking in the political sense of the word? Or even true negotiation and/or diplomatic discussion?

Because to me it looks like conspiring and kowtowing AND surrender.

And how do you make that determination?

*clarity
 
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And how are you to make that determination?
Because the attacks continue from Russia, Trump's in love with Putin and House Republicans have proven over and over again that they'll back Trump a god damn mother Fu*king traitor. What criteria would you use to determine this?
 

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True, when put in the context of ongoing attacks, what other response could we have other than a hostile one? I'd hope to hear Rand Paul questioned on that.
 

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There's nothing wrong with talking to our enemies - it's a good thing in fact! I don't get a sense that our government has any coherent strategy or objective for doing so right now though, which is bad.

If we discuss things with the goal of improving our situation sure. In this case, the intel agencies are conspiring against Putin and can't be trusted. EDIT- this is Paul's perspective, not mine.

There's something really wrong with the last that disqualifies the first sentence as applicable.
 
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