Rand Paul: GOP 'May Have Over-Emphasized' Voter Fraud Fears

[emperus]

Who would have thought. I think it's absolutely shameful what the GOP is resorting to to try win elections.

Here's another interesting comment from Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) during his sitdown with former senior Obama adviser David Axelrod on Tuesday: Paul said that the Republican Party might be over-selling incidences of voter fraud.
The GOP has cited actual fraud and the potential for fraud while pushing new voting laws, including requiring voters to present identification at the polls. Such laws have passed in numerous GOP-controlled states in recent years, but Democrats say the efforts are aimed at reducing the vote of groups less likely to carry IDs -- most notably minorities -- who favor Democrats.
From the transcript:

PAUL: Dead people do still vote in some elections. There still is some fraud. And so we should stop that, and one way of doing it is (driver's licenses).
AXELROD: Although the incidence of fraud is relatively small.
PAUL: It probably is, and I think Republicans may have over-emphasized this. I don't know.
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Paul did say that he supports voter ID efforts as a minimal standard and noted that you have to present an ID to enter government offices.
But he had a different view of calls by Republicans in some states to curtail early voting, which tends to favor Democrats more than Republicans.

"I don't think early voting is biased one way or the other," Paul said. "So I think eliminating it is a mistake for the -- Republicans who want to make their whole thing eliminating early voting, I think that's a mistake."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...d-paul-gop-might-be-over-selling-voter-fraud/

 

[glenn1]

No shit it's overemphasized, just like Dems overemphasizing electronic voting booth fraud not long ago was crap (oooh Diebold cue scary music). Put together an entire package of fixes for both sides' concerns and you'll have something worth passing, until then these piecemeal fixes benefiting one side or the other are crap.

 

[emperus]

No shit it's overemphasized, just like Dems overemphasizing electronic voting booth fraud not long ago was crap (oooh Diebold cue scary music). Put together an entire package of fixes for both sides' concerns and you'll have something worth passing, until then these piecemeal fixes benefiting one side or the other are crap.

Agree with the package of fixes. I don't equate overemphasizing diebold with overemphasizing in person voting fraud.

To rig an election with in person fraud would take a massive amount of effort. If someone could hack China, it could be possible to hack the electronic voting booths. (don't u watch Scandal ) I think all the Dems wanted was a backup receipt of each vote.

 

[fskimospy]

Gee, you think?

 

[kage69]

Grats Mr. Paul, you have a firm grasp on the obvious.

Agree with the package of fixes. I don't equate overemphasizing diebold with overemphasizing in person voting fraud.

To rig an election with in person fraud would take a massive amount of effort. If someone could hack China, it could be possible to hack the electronic voting booths. (don't u watch Scandal ) I think all the Dems wanted was a backup receipt of each vote.

That's what I remember as well. People, Dems or not, were called conspiracy nuts and delusional for expecting a company that makes ATM machines to be able to make voting machines operate in the same way by producing a backup receipt. Of course there was also a notable conflict of interest in using Diebold, and the head of the companies personal views plus that whole hiring felons as managers didn't really assuage any of those worries.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Voter fraud may not be rampant but it is occurring.

http://watchdog.org/140187/duplicate-voters-virginia/

A crosscheck of voter rolls in Virginia and Maryland turned up 44,000 people registered in both states, a vote-integrity group reported Wednesday.

George acknowledged that the number of voters who actually cast multiple ballots is relatively small. In the case of Maryland and Virginia, he revealed that 164 people voted in both states during the 2012 election.

 

[Mxylplyx]

I don't think anyone who is being intellectually honest could possibly make the case that Republicans have pure intentions in these efforts. It's like Putin denying with a straight face that Russia is involved in the unrest in Eastern Ukraine. He knows he's lying, we know he's lying, and he knows we know he's lying, so it reaches a point where you quit playing games and stop trying to get them to admit, and just accept it as fact. I do believe many of the Republican base believes voter fraud is a big problem, but that's because they have been fed a steady diet of xenophobic and subtly racist fear mongering for years by their preferred media sources. The politicians pulling the strings are smarter than that though.

 

[Jimzz]

Voter fraud may not be rampant but it is occurring.

http://watchdog.org/140187/duplicate-voters-virginia/

I guess you skipped over this part of the story...

"George acknowledged that the number of voters who actually cast multiple ballots is relatively small. In the case of Maryland and Virginia, he revealed that 164 people voted in both states during the 2012 election."

They found names that matched in 2 states. Could be 2 different people or someone that moved but only voted once. I was on NC and VA's voter roll when I first moved to VA but only voted where I lived.

But hey why look at facts when you can use scary headlines full of FUD.

 

[UberNeuman]

In other news, water may just be wet.

 

[Bitek]

Voter fraud may not be rampant but it is occurring.

http://watchdog.org/140187/duplicate-voters-virginia/

IE people who have moved fairly locally, but the numbers show aren't driving around multi voting

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Where are all the voter fraud defenders now? We have been saying this for years, and certain members have been refusing to admit it for years.

It's probably too much to hope for that this will convince them that they are wrong.

 

[MongGrel]

In other news, water may just be wet.

+1

 

[HomerJS]

Duuuuuuuh!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8

 

[michal1980]

lol. This thread was is so predictable. Rand Paul who the left typically hate pivots towards liberal whack jobs and gets praised from them.

Don't know what Rand's plan here is, the left still wont support him. Just like that other turn coat McCain. The left only liked/likes him when he talks like one of their own. They'll use him to create division, then throw him to the curb.

 

[brycejones]

lol. This thread was is so predictable. Rand Paul who the left typically hate pivots towards liberal whack jobs and gets praised from them.

Don't know what Rand's plan here is, the left still wont support him. Just like that other turn coat McCain. The left only liked/likes him when he talks like one of their own. They'll use him to create division, then throw him to the curb.

It's ok you can admit you are wrong.

Then maybe we could move to issues of real import like the war on Christmas.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I guess you skipped over this part of the story...

"George acknowledged that the number of voters who actually cast multiple ballots is relatively small. In the case of Maryland and Virginia, he revealed that 164 people voted in both states during the 2012 election."

They found names that matched in 2 states. Could be 2 different people or someone that moved but only voted once. I was on NC and VA's voter roll when I first moved to VA but only voted where I lived.

But hey why look at facts when you can use scary headlines full of FUD.

Guess you started slobbering all over yourself and failed to realize I quoted that part of the article as well.....hack.

 

[HomerJS]

lol. This thread was is so predictable. Rand Paul who the left typically hate pivots towards liberal whack jobs and gets praised from them.

Don't know what Rand's plan here is, the left still wont support him. Just like that other turn coat McCain. The left only liked/likes him when he talks like one of their own. They'll use him to create division, then throw him to the curb.

Its less praising Paul but praising GOP when they finally acknowledge facts.

Sorta like the skinny kid at fat camp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8

 

[Jimzz]

Guess you started slobbering all over yourself and failed to realize I quoted that part of the article as well.....hack.

Yet the genesis of your post was "Voter fraud may not be rampant but it is occurring." when in fact its not really happening to any real degree of worry. That and fraud implies intent, could be there was no intent in many of those whopping 144 cases, just error.

But again, why bring facts into it; right?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Yet the genesis of your post was "Voter fraud may not be rampant but it is occurring." when in fact its not really happening to any real degree of worry. That and fraud implies intent, could be there was no intent in many of those whopping 144 cases, just error.

But again, why bring facts into it; right?

I clearly stated it wasn't rampant but fraud was occurring? So did voter fraud occur or not?

When I moved to Texas in 2008 I informed the registar's office where I previously lived in Virginia that I was moving so they needed to drop me from the voter rolls. Don't understand why others don't do the same.

Guess they don't get a drivers license within the required 30 days after moving to a new state. Or don't get their drivers license/voter registration changed within 30 days of getting married (name change) either.

 

[emperus]

I clearly stated it wasn't rampant but fraud was occurring? So did voter fraud occur or not?

When I moved to Texas in 2008 I informed the registar's office where I previously lived in Virginia that I was moving so they needed to drop me from the voter rolls. Don't understand why others don't do the same.

Guess they don't get a drivers license within the required 30 days after moving to a new state. Or don't get their drivers license/voter registration changed within 30 days of getting married (name change) either.

So what was your goal in posting in a thread titled "Rand Paul: GOP 'May Have Over-Emphasized' Voter Fraud Fears ". Either, you missed the point or you just chose not to acknowledge it so you can continue to stand on your soapbox.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So what was your goal in posting in a thread titled "Rand Paul: GOP 'May Have Over-Emphasized' Voter Fraud Fears ". Either, you missed the point or you just chose not to acknowledge it so you can continue to stand on your soapbox.

This is so hilarious coming from the person that argued for weeks that SuperTarget wasn't a grocery store.

 

[boomerang]

So what was your goal in posting in a thread titled "Rand Paul: GOP 'May Have Over-Emphasized' Voter Fraud Fears ". Either, you missed the point or you just chose not to acknowledge it so you can continue to stand on your soapbox.

He's just exercising his first amendment rights.

 

[HomerJS]

I clearly stated it wasn't rampant but fraud was occurring? So did voter fraud occur or not?

When I moved to Texas in 2008 I informed the registar's office where I previously lived in Virginia that I was moving so they needed to drop me from the voter rolls. Don't understand why others don't do the same.

Guess they don't get a drivers license within the required 30 days after moving to a new state. Or don't get their drivers license/voter registration changed within 30 days of getting married (name change) either.

Voter fraud is statistically 0. If you or the GOP is so concerned about the integrity of the vote, why not get behind solving bigger problem then in person voter impersonation.

Handling of ballots by districts (Remember 2000)
Absentee ballots
People waiting in line 6 hours to vote.


But we know why
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8

 

[emperus]

This is so hilarious coming from the person that argued for weeks that SuperTarget wasn't a grocery store.

Cute. And tell me what that has to do with this post. Or how that explains your post. The obvious answer, it doesn't. Ad-hominem attacks are generally signs of losing arguments.

 

[Jhhnn]

Guess you started slobbering all over yourself and failed to realize I quoted that part of the article as well.....hack.

The part that you seem to not notice is that those 164 people just had the same name- doesn't mean they were the same people.

I'm pretty confident that "Joe Smith" voted in every state in the Union.