Rand Paul 2010

totalnoob

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This guy has a very good chance of winning the Senate race in Kentucky this year. He shares virtually all of his father's views in regard to the size and scope of government, and I think he would be a great voice for true conservatives in Congress. If you are disillusioned with the big government republicans currently in office, please consider supporting him.

Dear friend,

This weekend, Congress once again took center stage and showed exactly what is wrong with our government right now.

They passed a bill opposed by over 60% of Americans. They passed a bill that will cost trillions of dollars while illogically claiming it would save money. They passed a bill that will take freedom from more and more Americans.

They passed a bill that will push Americans closer and closer to the destruction of our health care system and closer to socialized medicine.

And they did it all with the usual games we've grown too accustomed to in recent years. Arm twisting, buying off Congressmen, and parliamentary tricks. Subversion of all normal legislative processes. Undermining our system of checks and balances.

Just another weekend of work for Congress.

Americans are tired of it. This healthcare battle is just another symptom of why the establishment has failed us.

My campaign is here to bring a message from the Tea Parties, from the millions of Americans who are fed up with how our government is behaving. That message is that we're here to take our government back!

We've just seen another example of why we need to redouble this effort, both in our campaign, and in rallies and living rooms all across America. We need more fighters, more leaders, more activists in Congress. Not just someone looking for their next job in politics. Not someone who wants to go-along and get along.

We need someone who actually wants to do the will of the American people. Someone who will follow the Constitution.

Tomorrow, Tuesday March 23rd, is our "Give Me Liberty" money bomb. If you believe that it's time to take our government back, I am asking that you help our campaign as we enter the final weeks of battle with the establishment.

CLICK HERE TO HELP OUR FIGHT FOR LIBERTY!
In Liberty,
Rand Paul, MD
 

spidey07

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Yes, he's been polling way ahead in the primaries and every single one of my friends is donating to his campaign. Would be awesome for him to win and right now it looks like he will.

All he has to do is say "I'll stop the obama madness" and he'll win in a landslide.
 

Throckmorton

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I'd like to see a Libertarian oust every Republican, now that "conservatives" are into this libertarian fad.
 

spidey07

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I'd like to see a Libertarian oust every Republican, now that "conservatives" are into this libertarian fad.

R - Rand Paul and R - Trey Greyson are running in the republican primary for KY senate seat because Sen. Bunning is retiring. The primary vote is in May I believe.

Last polls I saw had Paul with some 20 point lead over greyson in the primary, with either one of them defeating whatever candidate the Dems put forward (they've got their primary as well).

In Kentucky, only registered party voters can vote in their respective primaries. This keeps registered independents from sandbagging primary votes.
 

totalnoob

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Last polls I saw had Paul with some 20 point lead over greyson in the primary, with either one of them defeating whatever candidate the Dems put forward (they've got their primary as well).

This is remarkable considering the establishment GOP has been throwing piles of money at his opponent. They are scared shitless. :)
 

ShawnD1

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You want to see an era of anarchy and tribulation followed by a reactionary swing to statism?

Didn't this just happen? Conservatives wanted de-regulation. It happened. Anarchy. People elect "the most liberal candidate ever" (I don't know if that's true, Obama seems the same as all the other dems)
 

WHAMPOM

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This guy has a very good chance of winning the Senate race in Kentucky this year. He shares virtually all of his father's views in regard to the size and scope of government, and I think he would be a great voice for true conservatives in Congress. If you are disillusioned with the big government republicans currently in office, please consider supporting him.

Ya do know "do the will of the American people" and "follow the Constitution" are usually two completely different things? So how will R. Paul dance to two tunes at once? :\
 

rudder

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Didn't this just happen? Conservatives wanted de-regulation. It happened. Anarchy. People elect "the most liberal candidate ever" (I don't know if that's true, Obama seems the same as all the other dems)

Only if you wrongly assume de-regulation caused the economic mess we are in. And you are correct abut obama... he had the most liberal voting record while he was in the senate.
 

WHAMPOM

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Yes, he's been polling way ahead in the primaries and every single one of my friends is donating to his campaign. Would be awesome for him to win and right now it looks like he will.

All he has to do is say "I'll stop the obama madness" and he'll win in a landslide.

I must be very careful in being against everything you are for, because no matter how consistent you are, no one can be wrong all the time.
 

ShawnD1

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Only if you wrongly assume de-regulation caused the economic mess we are in. And you are correct abut obama... he had the most liberal voting record while he was in the senate.

http://www.clevelandfed.org/research/commentary/2009/0909.cfm
The Canada and U.S. housing market comparison suggests that relaxed lending standards likely played a critical role in the U.S. housing bust. Monetary policy was very similar in both countries from 2000 to 2008, but housing prices rose much faster in the U.S. than in Canada. This suggests that some other factor both drove the more rapid appreciation in U.S. prices and set the stage for the housing bust. A likely candidate is cross-country differences in the structure and regulation of subprime lending markets. That mortgage delinquencies began to climb before the recession in the U.S. but only began to rise recently in Canada (after the economic slowdown began), points to the significance of those structural and regulatory differences in explaining the U.S. housing crash.

(few paragraphs down)

But while subprime lending also increased in Canada, the subprime market remains much smaller than in the U.S. The most cited estimate is that subprime lenders had a market share of roughly 5 percent in 2006—compared to 22 percent in the U.S. (Mortgage Architects, 2007). Moreover, the Canadian subprime market never expanded significantly into newer products, such as interest-only or negative-amortization mortgages, whose popularity grew rapidly in the U.S. from 2003 to 2006. Instead, the Canadian subprime market mainly offered products popularized in the U.S. during the 1990s, such as longer amortization periods for loans (from 25 to 40 years), and mainly targeted near-prime borrowers.

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In addition, bank capital regulation in Canada treats off-balance sheet vehicles more strictly than the U.S., and the stricter treatment reduces the incentive for Canadian banks to move mortgage loans to off-balance sheet vehicles. Finally, as noted above, the fact that the government-mandated mortgage insurance for high LTV loans issued by Canadian banks effectively made it impossible for banks to offer certain subprime products. This likely slowed the growth of the subprime market in Canada, as nonbank intermediaries had to organically grow origination networks.

Simply put, the US has slack rules on getting loans. It was completely legal to lend money to people when you know they can't possibly pay it back. The US put emphasis on insuring the mortgage. Groups like Freddie Mac are a part of this problem.
1) give a loan to someone with a high loan to value ratio (lend them 100% the cost of the house)
2) give the loan at interest rates that are expected to rise
3) wait for the person to stop making payments for whatever reason
4) insurance monay pays the rest

Of course that's just the housing bubble.
 

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If he's as loopy as his father he's going to get a lot wrong, like his father, and further embarrass his cause.
 

spidey07

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If he's as loopy as his father he's going to get a lot wrong, like his father, and further embarrass his cause.

Rand Paul is more on the Libertarian lite side than his father. At least that's what he's campaigning as.
 

nonlnear

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Does not compute
What does not compute? LOTS of people want the government to continue spending recklessly. Sure when you ask them directly they'll claim they don't, but when you ask them what policies they advocate and what level of taxation they want they obviously WANT astronomical deficits.

It's weird to imagine that people think that way when you are sane. However if you take the word "weird" to mean statistically uncommon, then the reality is rather chilling.
 

WHAMPOM

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Only if you wrongly assume de-regulation caused the economic mess we are in. And you are correct abut obama... he had the most liberal voting record while he was in the senate.

When did we have a crisis that did not follow deregulation, saving&loan, DOT,com bubble, ENRON, mortgage? The energy crisis during Carter's administration? Maybe that.
 

nick1985

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What does not compute? LOTS of people want the government to continue spending recklessly. Sure when you ask them directly they'll claim they don't, but when you ask them what policies they advocate and what level of taxation they want they obviously WANT astronomical deficits.

It's weird to imagine that people think that way when you are sane. However if you take the word "weird" to mean statistically uncommon, then the reality is rather chilling.

I agree with your assertion. Entitlement programs are like crack
 

ShawnD1

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The energy crisis during Carter's administration? Maybe that.

I thought the energy crisis was caused by OPEC cutting supply. I think there was also some war going on like Yom Kippur or one of the many conflicts Israel has had. I don't feel like googling it, but I think it was more an international affair. It wasn't really US regulations.
 

bamacre

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Yes, he's been polling way ahead in the primaries and every single one of my friends is donating to his campaign. Would be awesome for him to win and right now it looks like he will.

All he has to do is say "I'll stop the obama madness" and he'll win in a landslide.

Your fellow Republican Party leaders are trying to stop him from winning. link
 

nonlnear

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Your fellow Republican Party leaders are trying to stop him from winning. link
The GOP leadership is trying to stop almost all of the good candidates from winning. The Republican Party needs to die in order to truly stand for the values it claims to.

RLC > RNC