Rampant voter fraud as defined by GOP: 31 out of 1 billlion!

[soundforbjt]

They'll never "go after" absentee voter fraud because a lot of their base uses it to vote.

 

[nehalem256]

We also know for sure than more than 3000 voters have been turned away from polling places (for lacking an ID) in the four states currently enforcing their voter ID laws

But I thought millions of people would be unable to vote if voter ID laws were enforced.

How many millions is 3000 again?

 

[DominionSeraph]

I dont understand.

Yes, conservatards are called conservatards for a reason.

 

[Veliko]

nehalem with his bizarre thought processes is doing himself proud once again.

 

[nehalem256]

nehalem with his bizarre thought processes is doing himself proud once again.

What bizarre thought process?

Liberals repeatedly claimed that millions would be unable to vote due to voter ID laws.

Clearly 3000 is much less than millions.

 

[thraashman]

I dont understand. You need an ID to buy a gun, and thats a right. Yet libruls dont seem to care about that. So why is it so hard to just get an ID and show it to vote?

Having an ID to purchase a gun is not equivalent to having an ID to vote. What would be equivalent would be if when carrying your gun you could be stopped and forced to show ID by law enforcement at any time to continue carrying it. Now if you want to support legalized police harassment of legal gun carriers...

 

[Veliko]

What bizarre thought process?

Liberals repeatedly claimed that millions would be unable to vote due to voter ID laws.

Clearly 3000 is much less than millions.

That bizarre thought process.

The liberal claim was an estimation based on what would happen if a new law was introduced whilst the claims about voter ID fraud was based on nothing at all.

Plus, the 3000 occurred in the four states that had the law implemented... so it could reach a million quite quickly if all states adopted the law.

 

[chucky2]

What is the number after voter ID laws being implemented after a few years, when knowledge of requisite ID becomes commonplace?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

What bizarre thought process?

Liberals repeatedly claimed that millions would be unable to vote due to voter ID laws.

Clearly 3000 is much less than millions.

Well let's work through it. 3,000 people in 4 states have been turned away for lack of ID. Now let's assume that number would hold true for every state regardless of population (Texas, New York and California don't have strict voter ID laws, so this is a fairly wild assumption to begin with, but let's roll with it). 3,000 cases in 4 states would be 37,500 cases in 50 states. Now if we're going to treat 3,000 cases as accurate, I assume you'll be willing to treat 31 cases of fraud voter ID could prevent as accurate as well. 31 cases of fraud to 37,500 potential rejected voters is .08%, or 1 illegal vote stopped for every 1,209 legitimate votes turned away. Is that an acceptable ratio in your mind? Is it fair to disenfranchise 1,200 voters to stop one illegal ballot from being cast?

 

[fskimospy]

That bizarre thought process.

The liberal claim was an estimation based on what would happen if a new law was introduced whilst the claims about voter ID fraud was based on nothing at all.

Plus, the 3000 occurred in the four states that had the law implemented... so it could reach a million quite quickly if all states adopted the law.

Not to mention that those are the votes affirmatively rejected, it wouldn't count those who didn't go to the polls because they didn't have ID.

Nehalem is not the brightest bulb.

 

[nehalem256]

That bizarre thought process.

The liberal claim was an estimation based on what would happen if a new law was introduced whilst the claims about voter ID fraud was based on nothing at all.

Estimation off by about a factor of 1000.

Plus, the 3000 occurred in the four states that had the law implemented... so it could reach a million quite quickly if all states adopted the law.

Lets think about this now. If 4 states had 3000. Lets estimate how many 50 states would have!

(50/4) * 3000 = 37,500.

How many millions is 37,500?

 

[fskimospy]

Estimation off by about a factor of 1000.

Lets think about this now. If 4 states had 3000. Lets estimate how many 50 states would have!

(50/4) * 3000 = 37,500.

How many millions is 37,500?

TIL that not only does nehalem think that the only people prevented from voting by ID laws are ones who explicitly went to the polls and were turned away, but he also thinks all 50 states have the same number of people in them.

Wherever you went to school, you need to get a refund.

 

[smackababy]

Estimation off by about a factor of 1000.



Lets think about this now. If 4 states had 3000. Lets estimate how many 50 states would have!

(50/4) * 3000 = 37,500.

How many millions is 37,500?

You're being incredibly dishonest there. Is the population of registered voters of those 4 states 4/50th of the total population of registered voters? I find that extremely hard to believe.

 

[Veliko]

Estimation off by about a factor of 1000.



Lets think about this now. If 4 states had 3000. Lets estimate how many 50 states would have!

(50/4) * 3000 = 37,500.

How many millions is 37,500?

Let's try this again:

The liberal claim was an estimation based on what would happen if a new law was introduced whilst the claims about voter ID fraud was based on nothing at all.

So right away your comparison is a false one.

Secondly, not all states have the same population.

Thirdly, that number will turn into millions as times goes on.

Fourthly, 37,500 is still bigger than 31.

You seem to be trying to claim some kind of "told you so!" victory over someone yet it doesn't work on any level.

 

[HomerJS]

Estimation off by about a factor of 1000.



Lets think about this now. If 4 states had 3000. Lets estimate how many 50 states would have!

(50/4) * 3000 = 37,500.

How many millions is 37,500?

Next time you get a cold can we cut off your arm?

 

[Cozarkian]

Not really relevant. This is just further evidence that voter ID is irrational. It is attempting to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

First, 31 cases indicates the problem does exist. Second, if there had been 0 cases but there was the potential for 1 case in the next election, the law would still be justified by the non-existent cost to society. The cost is non-existent, because people either already have ID or should, so giving them another reason to get ID is a benefit, not a burden.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Absentee ballots are basically the #1 vehicle for voter fraud. (outside of corrupt election officials)

If people want to look into reforming the absentee ballot process I'm totally down for it.

We should be more concerned with election fraud than voter fraud imo.

Fraud Ruling Invalidates Miami Mayoral Election
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/03/05/us/fraud-ruling-invalidates-miami-mayoral-election.html

More Vote Fraud Convictions In East Chicago
http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2007/08/more-vote-fraud-convictions-in-east.html

3 District 29 poll workers indicted
http://web.archive.org/web/20060723...ocal/article/0,2845,MCA_25340_4792646,00.html

Indiana Dem official sentenced to prison for '08 ballot fraud in Obama-Clinton primary
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-prison-for-08-ballot-fraud-in-obama-clinton/

Three charged with election fraud in St. Louis County
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_d2cda14a-b3b8-5985-9785-b2bdf0fc800b.html

Federal suit alleges 'massive' voter fraud in East St. Louis
http://www.bnd.com/2013/09/24/2815201/federal-suit-alleges-massive-voter.html

Judicial Watch Obtains New FBI Documents Regarding ACORN Voter Fraud Investigation
http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-...ts-regarding-acorn-voter-fraud-investigation/

18 Former ACORN Workers Have Been Convicted or Admitted Guilt in Election Fraud
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/26/acorn-workers-convicted-admitted-guilt-election-fraud/

 

[Cozarkian]

Just because it is easy and affordable for you doesn't mean that those same conditions apply for everyone else.

To the extent people, through reasonable are unable to get an ID because of circumstances beyond their control (i.e. they aren't just lazy), that's not a problem that should prevent voter ID laws, it is a deeper problem that should be fixed regardless of whether he have voter ID laws or not.

 

[fskimospy]

First, 31 cases indicates the problem does exist. Second, if there had been 0 cases but there was the potential for 1 case in the next election, the law would still be justified by the non-existent cost to society.

The cost is not non-existent. 31 cases out of 3 billion ballots cast is an approximate fraud rate of 0.0000013%. (or so, my arithmetic was never great). If that is your standard for a problem existing then all I can say is holy shit. The odds of someone being involved in one of these schemes is only slightly worse than winning the grand prize in powerball.

The cost is non-existent, because people either already have ID or should, so giving them another reason to get ID is a benefit, not a burden.

Interesting that you think forcing people to do something they don't want to do otherwise is costless because you think they should do it anyway. I'm pretty sure that's not what the definition of costless is.

 

[Moonbeam]

It has always struck me as sad that when conservatives found themselves in a situation where they were worried people wouldn't vote for them their answer was not to change their policies so people would, it was just to try and get them to stop voting.

If you look at CBD paranoia of conservatives, you will find a fear of eugenics, a fear that what liberals really and not so secretly want, at least to their (conservatives) minds, is see them exterminated, a fear that people more mentally capable of rational thinking, some cabal of self appointed, and usually secular, socialist elite, will determine them unfit for life with the rest of us healthy human beings.

And when you look at this effort to prevent people whom they fear sympathized with just such eugenic thinking, from voting at the polls, you will see what I have said many times, that we create what we fear. The CBD is amenable to voter suppression because it is exactly what they fear will be done to them if such people are allowed to vote. We always create what we fear and become the very monsters we imagine are out there to trying to get us. Voter ID is nothing more than eugenics at the polls, the elimination of a liberally brain damaged sick minded bunch of voters.

Voter ID protects real Americans from a dangerous infection that is spreading throughout the land, a communal disease, and you know what communal means.

 

[Veliko]

First, 31 cases indicates the problem does exist.

31 cases over 14 years is just over 2 instances a year... which is statistically irrelevant in a country with a population of over 300 million.

Second, if there had been 0 cases but there was the potential for 1 case in the next election, the law would still be justified by the non-existent cost to society.

Derp.

the cost is non-existent

Derp.

because people either already have ID or should, so giving them another reason to get ID is a benefit, not a burden.

Derp.

 

[Thebobo]

I dont understand. You need an ID to buy a gun, and thats a right. Yet libruls dont seem to care about that. So why is it so hard to just get an ID and show it to vote?

My insults are better..

Reputardacons
Rethuglicans
Moronicons
Repuppetacons
Nazicons
Rethuglicans
Republiturds
Conturdacons
Chimpenfuhrers

 

[BUnit1701]

Actually, not implementing voter id laws is exactly the logical conclusion from that. It has us doing something for no purpose.

So, kind of like magazine capacity restrictions and universal background checks eh?

 

[xBiffx]

Having an ID to purchase a gun is not equivalent to having an ID to vote.

Obviously they aren't equivalent. A whole hell of a lot more harm and damage can come from a vote.

What would be equivalent would be if when carrying your gun you could be stopped and forced to show ID by law enforcement at any time to continue carrying it. Now if you want to support legalized police harassment of legal gun carriers...

I don't know what state you live in but that's exactly the way it works in every state that I've ever lived in.

 

[BUnit1701]

Having an ID to purchase a gun is not equivalent to having an ID to vote. What would be equivalent would be if when carrying your gun you could be stopped and forced to show ID by law enforcement at any time to continue carrying it. Now if you want to support legalized police harassment of legal gun carriers...

Facinating, you vote every day and everywhere you go?