Raid 0

[Creepingdeath82]

I am connecting two raptor drives in raid 0, do I need to connect the drives together or just connect to SATA cables to the motherbaord.

Thanks

Paul

 

[Old Hippie]

Originally posted by: Creepingdeath82
I am connecting two raptor drives in raid 0, do I need to connect the drives together or just connect to SATA cables to the motherbaord.

Thanks

Paul

Creepingdeath? WTH?

You need to put them on the same chipset on the MB. But Mr. Novice Creepingdeath, if you do a little research, you'll probably find it's not worth the trouble.

Good Luck!

 

[Creepingdeath82]

Creeping death is a metallica song coming from the hebrew to kill the first born, mr history novice. Chipset do you mean motherboard?

thanks old hippie WTH

 

[Blain]

Originally posted by: Creepingdeath82
I am connecting two raptor drives in raid 0, do I need to connect the drives together or just connect to SATA cables to the motherbaord.

Just asking that question indicates...
you should stay far away from any RAID setup until you've done more research.
I'm sorry, but that's the way it is. :laugh:

 

[Creepingdeath82]

Well how come the EXPERTS say it's the best thing ever and top companys like Alienware use Raid 0?

 

[corkyg]

Not all the experts say that. Alienware is only appealing to kid gamers. By and large, for most users, RAID 0 is a high risk abortion.

 

[imported_LoKe]

Alienware is not a top company, and Raid array's aren't worth the risk that comes with it.

 

[Fullmetal Chocobo]

Originally posted by: LoKe
Alienware is not a top company, and Raid array's aren't worth the risk that comes with it.

Can't a blanket statement like that be more along the lines with onboard controllers or something? Not all RAID (nor RAID 0 at that) is worthless.

 

[OdiN]

I run RAID 0.

I have 2 74GB Raptors in RAID 0.

I also have 2 120GB WD's in RAID 0.

These two arrays store most of my OS/Programs and various data and such.

All critical data is, of course, backed up.

Part of the reason I use RAID is that now my two Raptors act like one larger drive. Same for the 120's. I don't care much for tons of drive letters.

When I get my 2 500GB drives in for my new system, they will go in a RAID 0 array as well.

I have 2 300GB drives in an external box in RAID 1 for backup, and I do copies to that of important stuff.

RAID made an impact with older IDE drives. With SATA drives so quick these days, it's not as noticeable.

I used to run 4 Seagates in RAID 0 and I could tell the difference between that and a single drive.

 

[imported_LoKe]

Originally posted by: Fullmetal Chocobo

Originally posted by: LoKe
Alienware is not a top company, and Raid array's aren't worth the risk that comes with it.

Can't a blanket statement like that be more along the lines with onboard controllers or something? Not all RAID (nor RAID 0 at that) is worthless.

One hard drive fails, all your data is gone. That doesn't sound very nice to me.

 

[Fullmetal Chocobo]

Originally posted by: LoKe

Originally posted by: Fullmetal Chocobo

Originally posted by: LoKe
Alienware is not a top company, and Raid array's aren't worth the risk that comes with it.

Can't a blanket statement like that be more along the lines with onboard controllers or something? Not all RAID (nor RAID 0 at that) is worthless.

One hard drive fails, all your data is gone. That doesn't sound very nice to me.

RAID 0 is not the only type of RAID array there is. And RAID 0 is fine if you don't put important information on it. I run a single drive by itself as well as a RAID 0 and RAID 5 array in my machine. If the RAID 0 array died, nothing is lost except some time reinstalling the games and pulling the save games from the most recent backup.

 

[Aluvus]

Originally posted by: Creepingdeath82
Well how come the EXPERTS say it's the best thing ever and top companys like Alienware use Raid 0?

Hype.

 

[Blain]

Originally posted by: Creepingdeath82
Well how come the EXPERTS say it's the best thing ever and top companys like Alienware use Raid 0?

It doesn't matter what the "EXPERTS" say... You lack some basic understanding of RAID setups.
I'm not saying you're an idiot or anything like that. It's just that you need to read more, dream less and build your understanding of the workings of a high quality PC.


The experts say a Dodge Viper is a very high performance car.
But you wouldn't toss the Viper keys to a high school student that just got their licence. :roll:

 

[Cutthroat]

I've been running RAID 0 for years, in a couple of days I will be removing my RAID array in favor of a single Raptor that I got a good price on. RAID is just too much trouble in the end, especially Intel Matrix RAID, PITA.

 

[Old Hippie]

Creeping death is a metallica song coming from the hebrew to kill the first born, mr history novice.

Your right! My history books never mentioned Metallica! :shocked:

 

[DimZiE]

RAID 0 >not worth the hassle and risk IMHO

 

[Cr0nJ0b]

I've been using and selling RAID for years. In my opinion it's an advanced topic in general...so do your study. RAID 0, is like overclocking...you can get a lot out of a little, but you add some risk. If you follow step 1, you can learn how to mitigate much of that risk. I use RAID strictly for Performance reasons and it works great. It really is a lot faster than a single drive. I have a 4 drive RAID0 set for my boot...just to increase disk IO performance. You do need to backup and protect your data. I have lost lots of drives and thankfully I was protected so I could recover every time. It's more work too...I mean, when I lose a disk, I need to recover from the backup (image on a differnt single drive). I boot that and use it while i rebuild the set and get the replacement drive, then i restore and then I'm back. It's a multi-hour process.

 

[Roguestar]

Originally posted by: Creepingdeath82
Well how come the EXPERTS say it's the best thing ever and top companys like Alienware use Raid 0?

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Originally posted by: AnandTech HD Review
Half-Life 2: Lost Coast loading times
The results speak for themselves with the RAID 0 setups offering extremely minor performance improvements in actual game load testing. You will likely not be able to notice any differences during actual game play with a RAID 0 setup. We know it was impossible for us.

BF2 Daqing Oilfields loading times
Once again we see a minimal difference between our RAID 0 and single drive configurations in this benchmark with only a one second difference in load times. In repeated testing it was difficult to discern any differences between the RAID 0 and single drive setups.

Nero Recoding
If you do a lot of video encoding then RAID 0 could end up saving you some precious minutes each day. Is it worth the cost or effort? Probably not, but it is one area besides benchmarking where RAID 0 actually made a difference. Of course, if you don't already have the fastest CPU for encoding available, that would have a far greater impact than RAID 0.

File Copying
We finish our tests with a benchmark that should have favored the RAID 0 setups due to a pure write scenario. Unlike our iPeak test (and for that matter a similar test in PCMark05) where the largest differences in scores between setups were generated, we have RAID 0 making no difference in this test and actually scoring worse than a single drive setup in two instances.

Final Thoughts
If it is not obvious by now, RAID 0 will provide outstanding results in synthetic benchmarks but really does nothing in actual applications.
RAID 0 sounds impressive in a system configuration and provides a performance placebo effect when viewing synthetic benchmarks. However, RAID 0 is just not worth the trouble or cost for the average desktop user or gamer, especially with the software RAID capabilities included on most motherboards.

 

[RebateMonger]

As Blain suggests, use any drive array or controller that you want, but it's best if you:

1) Understand the consequences and risks of the array or controller
2) Keep offline backups of any important data

Drive arrays are inherently more complicated than single drives, and more difficult to repair when problems occur.

 

[magreen]

Personally, I just think that the more parts of my computer that sound like insect poison, the better.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: Creepingdeath82
Well how come the EXPERTS say it's the best thing ever and top companys like Alienware use Raid 0?

Hopefully the experts are not Maximum PC or any magazine similar. Do not believe those. Alienware uses RAID 0 as a selling point for noobs. That's why noobs buy Alienware.

You'll only see a difference in benchmarks and if you want performance that you'll see you'll need a real hardware RAID card in the price range of $400 or so.

 

[Tarrant64]

Originally posted by: Creepingdeath82
I am connecting two raptor drives in raid 0, do I need to connect the drives together or just connect to SATA cables to the motherbaord.

Thanks

Paul

Do we need to explain RAID 0 to you even you don't know how to properly connect SATA drives to a motherboard?

You need to see if your motherboard even supports RAID, and if it does what RAID. Looking through a magazine or seeing some guy posting up bogus synthetic benchmarks and seeing "RAID 0" in his setup doesn't mean you should run out and get that setup. The real world difference is sometimes negligable(sp?).