Radio Frequencies help burn Salt water.

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Radio Frequencies Help Burn Salt Water

By David Templeton, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Tue, 11 Sep 2007, 11:41AM
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ERIE, Pa. - An Erie cancer researcher has found a way to burn salt water, a novel invention that is being touted by one chemist as the "most remarkable" water science discovery in a century.

John Kanzius happened upon the discovery accidentally when he tried to desalinate seawater with a radio-frequency generator he developed to treat cancer. He discovered that as long as the salt water was exposed to the radio frequencies, it would burn.

The discovery has scientists excited by the prospect of using salt water, the most abundant resource on earth, as a fuel.

Rustum Roy, a Penn State University chemist, has held demonstrations at his State College lab to confirm his own observations.

The radio frequencies act to weaken the bonds between the elements that make up salt water, releasing the hydrogen, Roy said. Once ignited, the hydrogen will burn as long as it is exposed to the frequencies, he said.

The discovery is "the most remarkable in water science in 100 years," Roy said.

"This is the most abundant element in the world. It is everywhere," Roy said. "Seeing it burn gives me the chills."

Roy will meet this week with officials from the Department of Energy and the Department of Defense to try to obtain research funding.

The scientists want to find out whether the energy output from the burning hydrogen ? which reached a heat of more than 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit ? would be enough to power a car or other heavy machinery.

"We will get our ideas together and check this out and see where it leads," Roy said. "The potential is huge."

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[BigJ]

I could've sworn there was something about this on AT before a few months ago with some more details about the situation.

 

[BigJ]

Little DP action there.

 

[tasmanian]

Originally posted by: BigJ
I could've sworn there was something about this on AT before a few months ago with some more details about the situation.

You are correct. First time ive seen yahoo repost.

 

[Throckmorton]

1) Water is not an element.
2) Constantly bombarding water with radiation so it breaks into H and O which then burns is not using water as fuel.
3) Where did these scientists get their degrees? The University of Kansas?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
1) Water is not an element.
2) Constantly bombarding water with radiation so it breaks into H and O which then burns is not using water as fuel.
3) Where did these scientists get their degrees? The University of Kansas?

Originally posted by: tasmanian

Originally posted by: BigJ
I could've sworn there was something about this on AT before a few months ago with some more details about the situation.

You are correct. First time ive seen yahoo repost.

What's different this time is they have asked the Government to sponsor the research this time.

Of course they would want taxpayer money to fund a pipe dream.

 

[bdude]

John Kanzius, a former broadcast executive from Erie, Pennsylvania, attracted media attention in 2007 upon claims to having developed a way to produce energy by burning saltwater, by means of a radio frequency generator that releases the oxygen and hydrogen from saltwater and create an intense flame. Skeptics propose that the process would liberate the same amount of energy it consumes if it operates at 100% efficiency. Kanzius has admitted that his machine requires more energy than it releases, however the specifics of the process are still unreleased while Kanzius applies for a patent.[1] He states that the discovery was accidental while researching the use of radio waves for the treatment of cancer.[2] None of his claims are peer-reviewed, and patent applications don't require the machine actually work for the patent to be filed.

Kanzius owns a patent for an Enhanced Systems and Methods for RF-Induced Hyperthermia[3] which describes potential medical uses of radio waves for diseases such as cancer.

per. Wiki

 

[silverpig]

This is BS. He'll have to put more energy in via RF than he'd get out.

 

[PottedMeat]

Skeptics propose that the process would liberate the same amount of energy it consumes if it operates at 100% efficiency.

O RLY?

The scientists want to find out whether the energy output from the burning hydrogen ? which reached a heat of more than 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit ? would be enough to power a car or other heavy machinery.

Wow thats amazing. Nobody has ever thought about using hydrogen to power things.

 

[Paratus]

Originally posted by: bdude
John Kanzius, a former broadcast executive from Erie, Pennsylvania, attracted media attention in 2007 upon claims to having developed a way to produce energy by burning saltwater, by means of a radio frequency generator that releases the oxygen and hydrogen from saltwater and create an intense flame. Skeptics propose that the process would liberate the same amount of energy it consumes if it operates at 100% efficiency. Kanzius has admitted that his machine requires more energy than it releases, however the specifics of the process are still unreleased while Kanzius applies for a patent.[1] He states that the discovery was accidental while researching the use of radio waves for the treatment of cancer.[2] None of his claims are peer-reviewed, and patent applications don't require the machine actually work for the patent to be filed.

Kanzius owns a patent for an Enhanced Systems and Methods for RF-Induced Hyperthermia[3] which describes potential medical uses of radio waves for diseases such as cancer.

per. Wiki

Thermodynamics > Kanzius

 

[Jahee]

Originally posted by: Paratus

Originally posted by: bdude
John Kanzius, a former broadcast executive from Erie, Pennsylvania, attracted media attention in 2007 upon claims to having developed a way to produce energy by burning saltwater, by means of a radio frequency generator that releases the oxygen and hydrogen from saltwater and create an intense flame. Skeptics propose that the process would liberate the same amount of energy it consumes if it operates at 100% efficiency. Kanzius has admitted that his machine requires more energy than it releases, however the specifics of the process are still unreleased while Kanzius applies for a patent.[1] He states that the discovery was accidental while researching the use of radio waves for the treatment of cancer.[2] None of his claims are peer-reviewed, and patent applications don't require the machine actually work for the patent to be filed.

Kanzius owns a patent for an Enhanced Systems and Methods for RF-Induced Hyperthermia[3] which describes potential medical uses of radio waves for diseases such as cancer.

per. Wiki

Thermodynamics > Kanzius

Hah!

 

[LordMorpheus]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
1) Water is not an element.
2) Constantly bombarding water with radiation so it breaks into H and O which then burns is not using water as fuel.
3) Where did these scientists get their degrees? The University of Kansas?

They are doing a better job with this then Pons and Fleischmann did in '89. If they can get more energy out of the burning hydrogen than they have to put in to break the water molecules apart, this could be huge.

 

[Paratus]

Originally posted by: LordMorpheus

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
1) Water is not an element.
2) Constantly bombarding water with radiation so it breaks into H and O which then burns is not using water as fuel.
3) Where did these scientists get their degrees? The University of Kansas?

They are doing a better job with this then Pons and Fleischmann did in '89. If they can get more energy out of the burning hydrogen than they have to put in to break the water molecules apart, this could be huge.

They can't


If it's more efficient than electrolysis than I can see it maybe being used for in-situ hydrogen or oxygen generation from water feedstock but this is no power source.

It's actually very similar to effect used in the Variable Specific Impulse Magneto Plasma Rocket. In that they use an antenna to ionize a gas like hydrogen to 50,000C and then exhaust it out the back of the engine.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Paratus

Originally posted by: bdude
John Kanzius, a former broadcast executive from Erie, Pennsylvania, attracted media attention in 2007 upon claims to having developed a way to produce energy by burning saltwater, by means of a radio frequency generator that releases the oxygen and hydrogen from saltwater and create an intense flame. Skeptics propose that the process would liberate the same amount of energy it consumes if it operates at 100% efficiency. Kanzius has admitted that his machine requires more energy than it releases, however the specifics of the process are still unreleased while Kanzius applies for a patent.[1] He states that the discovery was accidental while researching the use of radio waves for the treatment of cancer.[2] None of his claims are peer-reviewed, and patent applications don't require the machine actually work for the patent to be filed.

Kanzius owns a patent for an Enhanced Systems and Methods for RF-Induced Hyperthermia[3] which describes potential medical uses of radio waves for diseases such as cancer.

per. Wiki

Thermodynamics > Kanzius

:laugh:

Nice. He might as well work on nuclear fusion. It has a similar efficiency right now. Of course, nuclear fusion shows just a little bit more promise - it actually does have the potential to use something from seawater to generate energy.