Radical Islams war against the west

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: straightalker
The Quran does teach all Muslims to wage a war against the entire non Muslim population on Earth who will not bow down to Allah.

Where did you get that?

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: Zebo
As far as bigot count me in if it a person that despises the ideology of conquest, relentless attacks on its peaceful neighbors, it's disregard for the cultural, linguistic and religious histories of peoples all over the planet, it's treating women like vomit, it's killing of people who have freedom of conscience, religion, gays, apostates!!! If that's what it is, then count me in. If it means hating people due to their race or their ethnicity, count me out.

So true.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Exactly, we need clear boarders with no occupation soon as a decade or two more of occupation then Iran or some terrorist group will get it's hands on nukes within the next decade or three and it won't be pretty. Unfortunately Israel has no intent of ever withdrawing to the Green Line, and until that changes then we are on a sure path to something very ugly.

1. If the problem is Israel, then why the global Islamic terrorism strikes anywhere else OTHER than Israel? Phillipeans, Indonesia, Britain, US, Spain, Russia...

2. What makes you think Iran, under its current leadership, would accept Israel, which they see as infidel cancerous state inside their territory?

I just can't understand the reasoning behind Islamic aggression and how does it have anything to do with Israel.
It's not a conflict about land and it never was. It's religion.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: straightalker
The Quran does teach all Muslims to wage a war against the entire non Muslim population on Earth who will not bow down to Allah.

Where did you get that?

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/

I'm glad you asked.

Qur?an:9:5 ?Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.?

Qur?an:9:112 ?The Believers fight in Allah?s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.?

Qur?an:9:29 ?Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.? (aka Jizya tax)

Qur?an:9:123 ?Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.?

Qur?an:48:16 ?Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: ?You shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture.?


Qur?an:47:4 ?When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah?s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.?

I could go on but I have to cut and paste half the Qu'ran

Then there's the Haddiths which are 10X more brutal eg the auto-biography of "the perfect muslim" Mo's adventures.. he commanded in 43 battles himself!

 

[Gamer X]

There are similar passages like this in the bible Zebo. If you want to understand real Islam and these verses you cited read this book.

 

[Zebo]

You don't think I know most muslims are moderate Gamer X? That's not the ones I'm worried about so what's the point of talking about them? I, we, everyone needs to worry about the ones who take a book written for 6th century times literally and you know who they are. watch the video.

 

[Oxaqata]

But Christians haven't followed those kind of bible references for hundreds of years....

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Oxaqata
But Christians haven't followed those kind of bible references for hundreds of years....

Exactly the differece. Until Islam has a renaissance - is called out by other muslims - all the instruments of Jihad will remain in place. Rarley wil they do so at the moment.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Exactly, we need clear boarders with no occupation soon as a decade or two more of occupation then Iran or some terrorist group will get it's hands on nukes within the next decade or three and it won't be pretty. Unfortunately Israel has no intent of ever withdrawing to the Green Line, and until that changes then we are on a sure path to something very ugly.

1. If the problem is Israel, then why the global Islamic terrorism strikes anywhere else OTHER than Israel? Phillipeans, Indonesia, Britain, US, Spain, Russia...

2. What makes you think Iran, under its current leadership, would accept Israel, which they see as infidel cancerous state inside their territory?

I just can't understand the reasoning behind Islamic aggression and how does it have anything to do with Israel.
It's not a conflict about land and it never was. It's religion.

1. There are other problems as well, but Israel's gets struck far more than anyplace else you mention. And the land is an issue as Israel's nearly forty year occupation of and continuing expansion into Palestine is the most blatant and long standing legitimate grievance Muslims hold against the West.

2 The current leadership of Iran likely will never acknowledge Israel regardless, but Israel pulling back to the Green Line would greatly reduce provocation which incites Muslims to attack Israel and her supporters.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: straightalker
The Quran does teach all Muslims to wage a war against the entire non Muslim population on Earth who will not bow down to Allah.

Where did you get that?

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/

I'm glad you asked.

....

Try looking up what you quoted in a trasnlation that is accepted by Muslims and then try reading it in context.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Could it be, by any remote chance, that this IS the reality? That the aspirations of the Islamic radicals (and lets not pretend, they are passively supported by the general Islamic public everywhere) are to unite parts of the world under the Shariah?

Originally posted by: Todd33
Congrats on becoming the thing you fear. Get help and maybe you can come out from under the bed some day.

Being able to read the writing on the wall doesn't mean you're scared, it merely means that you aren't illiterate.

 

[kylebisme]

Calling a scratch mark 'writing on the wall' means you are paranoid.

 

[Braznor]

The leftists here are blind to reason. The islamists openly want to take over the world and these people here deny that belief.

When will they learn? When its too late?

 

[kylebisme]

I'm not a leftist, but I'm not one to freak out over absurdly exaggerated threats either.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
I'm not a leftist, but I'm not one to freak out over absurdly exaggerated threats either.

The threat from Islamists is not exaggerated at any level. Eventually they always win because time is always on their side.

Their enemies reluctance to address the threat from the Islamists always does them in eventually.

We are all dead already.

 

[Gamer X]

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
I'm not a leftist, but I'm not one to freak out over absurdly exaggerated threats either.

The threat from Islamists is not exaggerated at any level. Eventually they always win because time is always on their side.

Their enemies reluctance to address the threat from the Islamists always does them in eventually.

We are all dead already.

Yeah, the US was so reluctant in invading Afghanistan for an incident that nobody knows for sure who did it until now. US also was so reluctant in invading Iraq but luckily they intervened in the last minute and neutralized Iraq's WMD.

 

[IrateLeaf]

Originally posted by: Gamer X

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
I'm not a leftist, but I'm not one to freak out over absurdly exaggerated threats either.

The threat from Islamists is not exaggerated at any level. Eventually they always win because time is always on their side.

Their enemies reluctance to address the threat from the Islamists always does them in eventually.

We are all dead already.

Yeah, the US was so reluctant in invading Afghanistan for an incident that nobody knows for sure who did it until now. US also was so reluctant in invading Iraq but luckily they intervened in the last minute and neutralized Iraq's WMD.

I always knew you would recant your brainwashing and listen to reason!

 

[Trente]

Iranian president: Israel's destruction solution to Mideast crisis

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3285678,00.html

Israel can NOT afford to take this guy without full seriousness; A head of state is threatening over and over again to destroy a country which he has no dispute with and the world sits quietly instead of taking decisive steps to stop him!

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: Gamer X

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
I'm not a leftist, but I'm not one to freak out over absurdly exaggerated threats either.

The threat from Islamists is not exaggerated at any level. Eventually they always win because time is always on their side.

Their enemies reluctance to address the threat from the Islamists always does them in eventually.

We are all dead already.

Yeah, the US was so reluctant in invading Afghanistan for an incident that nobody knows for sure who did it until now. US also was so reluctant in invading Iraq but luckily they intervened in the last minute and neutralized Iraq's WMD.

I take issue with that. That "incident" was clearly carried out by a terror organization that was training in Afghanistan and supported by the government there. It was a legitimate target. The U.S. should have stayed there and hunted down Osama and crew and scrubbed that country clean instead of mindlessly attacking Iraq for no reason.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
LOL this movie is nothing but pro-Israeli propaganda from Honestreporting.com. Here's what their websites header says: "monitoring mideast media anti-Israel bias". A more fitting name should be "Deceptivereporting.com: Propagating Anti-Islamic Lies" courtesy of rich Jewish businessmen in NY.

So Zebo, since you are quick to point out Pallywood's deception, what about this? I bet Zebo and his type will take everything this video says at face value.


Edit: Apparently honestreporting.com was started by orthodox Jews whose mission was to bully news organizations that did not present a pro-Israeli image. Here's the Guardians take on it: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4140042,00.html

Media manipulators

How a north London web-designer began a campaign that deluged the Guardian with emails

More net news

David Leigh
Guardian

Thursday February 22, 2001

Why would the Guardian provide moral and medical justification for the multiple murder of innocent Israeli civilians?

It's a pretty bizarre question, but we found ourselves being asked it over and over again this week. Emails clicked in to the letters page by the hundred, all making the same weirdly alliterative points. This followed publication of a Guardian article trying to understand the motivations of the Palestinian bus driver who ploughed into a queue this month, killing eight Israelis.

The mysteriously similar emails - from all over the world - started coming in, too, to our foreign editor; to our website; and to the personal email address of our Middle East correspondent, Suzanne Goldenberg.

They were inconvenient, and also sometimes a bit scary in their violent tone - "The bloody Guardian... Have you killed a Jew today?... Are you anti-Jewish?... Unrelenting Guardian anti-Israel bias... Why would the Guardian provide moral and medical justification etc...?'

This global blitzing was tending to crowd out genuine expressions of opinion from our readers. Our suspicions aroused, we tried to discover what was going on. It wasn't straightforward. But eventually we discovered the trick. A website calling itself HonestReporting.com was set up in London last autumn.

It has recruited 12,000 subscribers to its database, it claims, all dedicated to fighting anti-Israel "bias" in the media. The aim was to recruit a total of 25,000.

Every time someone writes something they don't like, details of the offending article are circulated round the world, together with a handy form of protesting words, ready to be lightly embroidered and electronically dispatched at the push of a button.

"This is what you should do," they tell their members "Forward it on to the news company concerned at the email address provided. If you can, please change the subject of the email to 'complaint' or something similar."

Their first success, HonestReporting boasted, was with the London Evening Standard. Its columnist Brian Sewell wrote last autumn calling on Israel to "become a multicultural society" and cease exploiting the Holocaust to justify unacceptable behaviour.

"The next day, [we] sent out a letter to subscribers." Standard articles recorded "a wave of complaints... hundreds of Jewish readers have written in". Then "after more pressure" there followed a pro-Israel article by Simon Sebag-Montefiore. "This is an example of what we can do."

And now it was the Guardian's turn to get the email treatment. A long electronic bulletin went out headed: "The Guardian: a mainstream British newspaper consistently blames Israel for everything."

It complained that a Steve Bell cartoon showing Sharon's bloody handprints on the Wailing Wall "encroaches on brash anti-semitism". It complained that a Muslim, Faisal Bodi, had written questioning Israel's right to statehood; and complained that the Guardian had said Sharon had killed the peace process. "No blame is assigned to Arafat." And there too, was our old alliterative friend: "Why would the Guardian provide moral and medical justification...?"

Who was behind this internet harassment? The website gave no address. It had been registered last October under a London name and phone number that seemed not to exist. Eventually, it transpired that it had been set up by a 27-year-old Jewish web-designer from north London called Jonathan. "Don't give my full name," he asked. "Someone was killed in Stamford Hill [the Jewish district] the other day." He and his friends came up with the idea by themselves: "We were just brainstorming."

But the operation was now being funded and run from the US by an organisation concerned with media fairness, Media Watch International.

And who were they? "We're pretty new," says their director, Sharon Tzur, speaking from Manhattan. "It's a group of concerned Jewish business people in New York."

Yet a bit more inquiry reveals that this is not quite the whole story either. For this week's bulletin denouncing the Guardian was in fact composed in Israel by a man named Shraga Simmons.

And when he is not working for HonestReporting, Mr Simmons is to be found employed at another organisation altogether - Aish HaTora. This is an international group promoting orthodox Judaism. "I do some work for Aish," Mr Simmons says, from Israel. And Jonathan, the web-designer who started it all in London, also concedes: "I go to the odd class at Aish."

Aish verge on the colourful in their antics. Founded by Rabbi Noah Weinberg, who complains that "20,000 kids a year" are being lost to Judaism by marrying out, Aish invented speed-dating - eight-minute sessions in cafes to help New Yorkers find compatible Jewish partners. They're widely regarded as rightwing extremists. And they're certainly not people entitled to harass the media into what they would call "objectivity".

david.leigh@guardian.co.uk

Furthermore:

Pro-Israel Group Lobbies the Media Through HonestReporting.com
Topics: public relations | international | journalism
Source: The Guardian (London), February 22, 2001
"Why would the Guardian provide moral and medical justification for the multiple murder of innocent Israeli civilians?" That's the question that appeared in hundreds of emails to the Guardian of London, accusing it of bias in its coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. After some sleuthing, Guardian reporters discovered that the correspondence was generated by HonestReporting.com, a website established by Aish HaTora, an international group promoting orthodox Judaism. The Guardian's report generated a response in turn from HonestReporting.com, which is available on the Aish HaTora website.

Source: http://www.prwatch.org/node/396


Anything put out by honestreporting.com is as reliable as something coming directly from Al-Qaida.

I wonder how many of the folks demonizing Islam here stopped to read the article above. It's really ironic how the same people who blindly dismiss articles from the NYT and BBC as liberal propaganda will equally blindly swallow blatant anti-Islam propaganda as if it were gospel. Are there hate-filled Islamic extremists? Absolutely. But they can just as easily point to the hate-filled Christian extremists as "proof" that America plans to destroy all of Islam.

Indeed, there are people in this thread one could easily envision in a starring role in their own Google Video, prancing around, waving guns in the air, and chanting "Death to Islam". So what? Most Americans are more rational and less hateful. I see no reason to assume the nutjobs in the OP are at all representative of the majority of Muslims. They are more bark than bite, and should be dealt with accordingly. I'm not going to cower under my bed, quaking in terror at an imaginary boogeyman in my closet. That's when the terrorists win, when we're willing to sacrifice America's freedoms and values to chase shadows. We are at war with Oceania. We have always been at war with Oceania.

 

[kylebisme]

Exactly, there are nutjobs on both sides calling for the destruction of the other, difference being the nutjobs on our side are a lot closer to having the means to accomplish their goal.

 

[OutHouse]

I wonder how many of the folks demonizing Islam here stopped to read the article above. It's really ironic how the same people who blindly dismiss articles from the NYT and BBC as liberal propaganda will equally blindly swallow blatant anti-Islam propaganda as if it were gospel. Are there hate-filled Islamic extremists? Absolutely. But they can just as easily point to the hate-filled Christian extremists as "proof" that America plans to destroy all of Islam.

Indeed, there are people in this thread one could easily envision in a starring role in their own Google Video, prancing around, waving guns in the air, and chanting "Death to Islam". So what? Most Americans are more rational and less hateful. I see no reason to assume the nutjobs in the OP are at all representative of the majority of Muslims. They are more bark than bite, and should be dealt with accordingly. I'm not going to cower under my bed, quaking in terror at an imaginary boogeyman in my closet. That's when the terrorists win, when we're willing to sacrifice America's freedoms and values to chase shadows. We are at war with Oceania. We have always been at war with Oceania.

its easy to swallow the anti-muslim propanganda. all i have to do is turn on the evening news and count how many homicide bombers blew themselves up killing non-belivers all in the name of Allah. :disgust:

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Citrix
wow awesome video. the clerics they showed speaking were saying thing far worse than what Hitler said in the 30's, and we all know how that turned out. This is a scary time.

Yeah it's a scary time when foolish people buy into pro-Israeli propaganda and think there is some big Islamic organized movement out there with WMD's bent on destroying the world.

Foolish? are you saying that the clerics and innamans in that video are not preaching hatered and death to americans, jews and wanting the whole world to be Islam? if you are you are a tool.
oh and for the record I dont give a crap about Isreal, as far as im concerned Hezballah started this fight and they are paying for it. I just wish that the IDF takes off the gloves and goes in full bore and kills every hezballah retard.

 

[Todd33]

I think the chicken little must understand something, Iran is blowing smoke because it can. They are emboldened for two reasons:

1. Oil. They are awash in oil money like no time before due to the regional instability (see #2) making prices go up. With this money they can buy weapons and research what they want. They also have control of the spigot. If they stop selling oil it will create a world wide crisis.

2. Iraq. We have given Iran a gift they could have never bought, a possible Shia state. Saddam was an enemy of Iran. We have taken him out and allowed the Shia majority who was suppressed by Saddam and the minority Sunnis to unleash their numbers. Iraq has given Iran a chance at creating Iran II and has the bonus of tying up our troops. You want to invade Iran, with what?

With these two things Iran can talk all the $hit they want and no one will do a thing. In effect we are 100% resposible for a brave and loud Iran. Want to help? Free up our troops and cut US dependence on foreign oil.