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Starbuck1975

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The fact that so many people in this thread are apologizing or making excuses for Islamic extremism is quite disturbing.

The documentary clearly states that these views are not reflective of Muslim society as a whole...but it does illustrate quite clearly just how dangerous this ideology can be if left unchecked.

And we sit here in our political correct bubbles.

I don't care what grievances the Muslim world might have against America or the West...some of them are justified, others are propaganda and paranoia...but the response to those grievances are far worse and more dangerous then the acts that fuel such ideologies.
 

SamurAchzar

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Well, it saddens me. It seems like the 60 years passed since WWII never seemed longer... You forgot all the lessons learned there.

Ahmadinejad is not different from Hitler - not in his aspiration, not in his rhetorics, and certainly not in his appetite for power and influence.
A country that does not want to be invaded does not arm Hizbullah with thousands of rockets and sends them off to attack a country with whom Iran has nothing to do.
 

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Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
So when Ahmadinejad claims he will lead the world against the corrupt Western way of life, he's just BSing?

Again, what should happen in order for you to consider the possibility that they mean exactly what they claim?

Wow, once again you have no clue what you're talking about. The last quotes I read from Ahmadinejad (when Chavez was visiting) called for 1) The end of Zionism as it exists today (referencing Israel's bombardment of Lebanese urban areas) and 2) To end the imperialistic influences (read: corruption) that the US has on smaller nations throughout the world (including Venezuela).

Are you really that boneheaded to think he wants to go to full scale war with the entire western world and end our way of life? Last time I checked, his goals for his presidency were to bring nuclear power to Iran, build his country's economy, and turn Iran into a major power in the region.

The US actually helped Ahmadinejad a lot in the last goal, because we not only removed Iran's biggest enemy in the region (Saddam Hussein), we turned around and installed a Shiite-controlled government that has strong ties to Iran at every level. Then we removed any credible threat of a military attack on Iran by greatly overtaxing our forces in both Iraq and Afghanistan in a long, drawn out occupation that has no end in sight.
 

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Somebody should write to the universities where a couple of those analysts received their PhDs and ask to revocate them. Actually they probably don't even have one advanced degree. It's amazing somebody showing such a massive display of ignorance in the very field where he is supposed to shine can get on camera. Amazing collection of cliches, appossimative scientific approach, lack of proofs, lack of background, lexicon mistakes... all with huge amounts of ignorance on the historical , sociological, religious and political literature corpus required to understand such a complex landscape of phenomena. The list inexact things would be so long it would probably outlast the documentary itself. And some of them would be funny for how big they are, they are not funny just because this video is potentially harmfull on the opinion of ineducated people.

I thought to get something this bad you had to buy the New York Post. There must be something wrong with the international affairs departments of Universitie in this country. There are obviously also many things wrong with the journalistic skills (and ethics) of this director.
 

SamurAchzar

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
So when Ahmadinejad claims he will lead the world against the corrupt Western way of life, he's just BSing?

Again, what should happen in order for you to consider the possibility that they mean exactly what they claim?

Wow, once again you have no clue what you're talking about. The last quotes I read from Ahmadinejad (when Chavez was visiting) called for 1) The end of Zionism as it exists today (referencing Israel's bombardment of Lebanese urban areas) and 2) To end the imperialistic influences (read: corruption) that the US has on smaller nations throughout the world (including Venezuela).

He explicitly said several times he wants Israel wiped off the map. No use arguing about it, it's a fact. Sad, but true;

Are you really that boneheaded to think he wants to go to full scale war with the entire western world and end our way of life? Last time I checked, his goals for his presidency were to bring nuclear power to Iran, build his country's economy, and turn Iran into a major power in the region.

He will not go for a full scale war. Just like you said, he will bring nuclear power to Iran - military power, that is - and make it the leading nation in the Middle East.
He will first battle to his control in the Middle East. As Amir Taheri correctly portrays in his article, it's a battle over the future of the Middle East in the next years.
It can be dominated by either US-led West or by Iranian-led Islam, but not both.

Granted, not all, even not most of Arabian nations will agree to be led by the Shiite Persians. For this there is the nuke. It will base Iran as the undisputed leader of the Arab world, and start an arms race with Egypt, Saudi Arabia et al.

Furthermore, do you think he would like to see a democratic Iraq? He's already interfering with it, and will only make it more prominent when US leaves Iraq.

All of this will form the 5th major influential power - along US, EU, China and Russia.
This is a vision that extends all the way to Northern Africa (Morocco, etc).

Do you think that's a good move for the West? Do you think that Iranian radical control over the ME will benefit a single American?
The ease with which you submit the entire ME to the mercy of Iran is quite astonishing. Poland, anybody?

The US actually helped Ahmadinejad a lot in the last goal, because we not only removed Iran's biggest enemy in the region (Saddam Hussein), we turned around and installed a Shiite-controlled government that has strong ties to Iran at every level. Then we removed any credible threat of a military attack on Iran by greatly overtaxing our forces in both Iraq and Afghanistan in a long, drawn out occupation that has no end in sight.
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I completely agree with this analysis. This is why the main focus would have to be restoring Iraq, in preparation for a joint strike in Iran. I believe the US goverment thinks the same.
 

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It seems thinking the way you do, us against them, west vs. east, threat to power, benefiting Americans vs. benefiting all humans, this is the cause of most of the problems you percieve as external.

What do you think would happen if there was a major shift, were we let others have the freedom to live the way they want, without forcing them to accept our system of mass-consumption and militarized conflict? What if we took a step to help the middle east become self-sufficient instead of occupying them by force? Wouldn't that be a better long-term strategy? Create less hate and cause for conflict?
 

Starbuck1975

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What do you think would happen if there was a major shift, were we let others have the freedom to live the way they want, without forcing them to accept our system of mass-consumption and militarized conflict?
Um...I believe Islamic extremism is the ideology tbat expects the world to accept its system of societal control through fear and intimidation.

What if we took a step to help the middle east become self-sufficient instead of occupying them by force?
The only force preventing the Middle East from becoming self sufficient is the dictators, mulahs and religious leaders that are driving their people into a suicidal frenzy, veiled behind religion.



 

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wow awesome video. the clerics they showed speaking were saying thing far worse than what Hitler said in the 30's, and we all know how that turned out. This is a scary time.
 

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LOL this movie is nothing but pro-Israeli propaganda from Honestreporting.com. Here's what their websites header says: "monitoring mideast media anti-Israel bias". A more fitting name should be "Deceptivereporting.com: Propagating Anti-Islamic Lies" courtesy of rich Jewish businessmen in NY.

So Zebo, since you are quick to point out Pallywood's deception, what about this? I bet Zebo and his type will take everything this video says at face value.


Edit: Apparently honestreporting.com was started by orthodox Jews whose mission was to bully news organizations that did not present a pro-Israeli image. Here's the Guardians take on it: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4140042,00.html

Media manipulators

How a north London web-designer began a campaign that deluged the Guardian with emails

More net news

David Leigh
Guardian

Thursday February 22, 2001

Why would the Guardian provide moral and medical justification for the multiple murder of innocent Israeli civilians?

It's a pretty bizarre question, but we found ourselves being asked it over and over again this week. Emails clicked in to the letters page by the hundred, all making the same weirdly alliterative points. This followed publication of a Guardian article trying to understand the motivations of the Palestinian bus driver who ploughed into a queue this month, killing eight Israelis.

The mysteriously similar emails - from all over the world - started coming in, too, to our foreign editor; to our website; and to the personal email address of our Middle East correspondent, Suzanne Goldenberg.

They were inconvenient, and also sometimes a bit scary in their violent tone - "The bloody Guardian... Have you killed a Jew today?... Are you anti-Jewish?... Unrelenting Guardian anti-Israel bias... Why would the Guardian provide moral and medical justification etc...?'

This global blitzing was tending to crowd out genuine expressions of opinion from our readers. Our suspicions aroused, we tried to discover what was going on. It wasn't straightforward. But eventually we discovered the trick. A website calling itself HonestReporting.com was set up in London last autumn.

It has recruited 12,000 subscribers to its database, it claims, all dedicated to fighting anti-Israel "bias" in the media. The aim was to recruit a total of 25,000.

Every time someone writes something they don't like, details of the offending article are circulated round the world, together with a handy form of protesting words, ready to be lightly embroidered and electronically dispatched at the push of a button.

"This is what you should do," they tell their members "Forward it on to the news company concerned at the email address provided. If you can, please change the subject of the email to 'complaint' or something similar."

Their first success, HonestReporting boasted, was with the London Evening Standard. Its columnist Brian Sewell wrote last autumn calling on Israel to "become a multicultural society" and cease exploiting the Holocaust to justify unacceptable behaviour.

"The next day, [we] sent out a letter to subscribers." Standard articles recorded "a wave of complaints... hundreds of Jewish readers have written in". Then "after more pressure" there followed a pro-Israel article by Simon Sebag-Montefiore. "This is an example of what we can do."

And now it was the Guardian's turn to get the email treatment. A long electronic bulletin went out headed: "The Guardian: a mainstream British newspaper consistently blames Israel for everything."

It complained that a Steve Bell cartoon showing Sharon's bloody handprints on the Wailing Wall "encroaches on brash anti-semitism". It complained that a Muslim, Faisal Bodi, had written questioning Israel's right to statehood; and complained that the Guardian had said Sharon had killed the peace process. "No blame is assigned to Arafat." And there too, was our old alliterative friend: "Why would the Guardian provide moral and medical justification...?"

Who was behind this internet harassment? The website gave no address. It had been registered last October under a London name and phone number that seemed not to exist. Eventually, it transpired that it had been set up by a 27-year-old Jewish web-designer from north London called Jonathan. "Don't give my full name," he asked. "Someone was killed in Stamford Hill [the Jewish district] the other day." He and his friends came up with the idea by themselves: "We were just brainstorming."

But the operation was now being funded and run from the US by an organisation concerned with media fairness, Media Watch International.

And who were they? "We're pretty new," says their director, Sharon Tzur, speaking from Manhattan. "It's a group of concerned Jewish business people in New York."

Yet a bit more inquiry reveals that this is not quite the whole story either. For this week's bulletin denouncing the Guardian was in fact composed in Israel by a man named Shraga Simmons.

And when he is not working for HonestReporting, Mr Simmons is to be found employed at another organisation altogether - Aish HaTora. This is an international group promoting orthodox Judaism. "I do some work for Aish," Mr Simmons says, from Israel. And Jonathan, the web-designer who started it all in London, also concedes: "I go to the odd class at Aish."

Aish verge on the colourful in their antics. Founded by Rabbi Noah Weinberg, who complains that "20,000 kids a year" are being lost to Judaism by marrying out, Aish invented speed-dating - eight-minute sessions in cafes to help New Yorkers find compatible Jewish partners. They're widely regarded as rightwing extremists. And they're certainly not people entitled to harass the media into what they would call "objectivity".

david.leigh@guardian.co.uk


Furthermore:

Pro-Israel Group Lobbies the Media Through HonestReporting.com
Topics: public relations | international | journalism
Source: The Guardian (London), February 22, 2001
"Why would the Guardian provide moral and medical justification for the multiple murder of innocent Israeli civilians?" That's the question that appeared in hundreds of emails to the Guardian of London, accusing it of bias in its coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. After some sleuthing, Guardian reporters discovered that the correspondence was generated by HonestReporting.com, a website established by Aish HaTora, an international group promoting orthodox Judaism. The Guardian's report generated a response in turn from HonestReporting.com, which is available on the Aish HaTora website.

Source: http://www.prwatch.org/node/396


Anything put out by honestreporting.com is as reliable as something coming directly from Al-Qaida.
 

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Originally posted by: Citrix
wow awesome video. the clerics they showed speaking were saying thing far worse than what Hitler said in the 30's, and we all know how that turned out. This is a scary time.


Yeah it's a scary time when foolish people buy into pro-Israeli propaganda and think there is some big Islamic organized movement out there with WMD's bent on destroying the world.
 

novon

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
What do you think would happen if there was a major shift, were we let others have the freedom to live the way they want, without forcing them to accept our system of mass-consumption and militarized conflict?
Um...I believe Islamic extremism is the ideology tbat expects the world to accept its system of societal control through fear and intimidation.

What if we took a step to help the middle east become self-sufficient instead of occupying them by force?
The only force preventing the Middle East from becoming self sufficient is the dictators, mulahs and religious leaders that are driving their people into a suicidal frenzy, veiled behind religion.

Islamic extremism is a symptom, a response of a more fundemental issue. Without fixing this issue, the symptoms will continue.

The dictators you talk about, most are a result or directly aided by US foreign policy.



 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Todd33
The people who support Specop 007 are even more scary and paranoid.

One one side we have extremist who want to kill all the non-Muslims. One the other side we have folks who want to kill all the Muslims.

One side says the infidels want to eradicate their Islamic way of life. The other side thinks thinks the Muslims want to eradicate their way of life.

One side thinks the infidels want to invade Arab land. The other side thinks Muslims want to invade and take over their country.

Congrats on becoming the thing you fear. Get help and maybe you can come out from under the bed some day.

I simply cannot understand how someone could be so fvcking ignorant to the issue.
These people are openly chanting death to america and openly preaching how they want to take over the world and you STILL deny it!!

JESUS!
 

5150Joker

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Todd33
The people who support Specop 007 are even more scary and paranoid.

One one side we have extremist who want to kill all the non-Muslims. One the other side we have folks who want to kill all the Muslims.

One side says the infidels want to eradicate their Islamic way of life. The other side thinks thinks the Muslims want to eradicate their way of life.

One side thinks the infidels want to invade Arab land. The other side thinks Muslims want to invade and take over their country.

Congrats on becoming the thing you fear. Get help and maybe you can come out from under the bed some day.

I simply cannot understand how someone could be so fvcking ignorant to the issue.
These people are openly chanting death to america and openly preaching how they want to take over the world and you STILL deny it!!

JESUS!



I cannot simply understand how someone could be so fvcking ignorant to believe what a pro-Israeli orthodox Jewish website says about "radical Islam" and then try to belittle those that call it into question.


BUDDHA!
 

SamurAchzar

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So it was the evil Zionists who caused 9/11? Olmert who interviews from his hideout in Afghanistan, calling for a global Jihad? Israel who's advocating the destruction of Iran and the Persians?
What about the bombings in Madrid and London? Are these aimed at the evil US, too?

How can the roles swap so easily? I don't know...

Again, you WILL get your wake up call. In fact, you've already got it, again and again, and failed to realize what you're up against. You will get one good slap, eventually, that will help you calibrate your bias and sense of justice.
Israeli got it at October of 2000, after the Oslo process crashed and burned. Most Americans got it at 9/11. Some Brits - most notably, their goverment - got it after the bombings in London. I would assume the French learned something from the recent riots.





 

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Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
You will get one good slap, eventually, that will help you calibrate your bias and sense of justice.

Turn the other cheek!
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Todd33
The people who support Specop 007 are even more scary and paranoid.

One one side we have extremist who want to kill all the non-Muslims. One the other side we have folks who want to kill all the Muslims.

One side says the infidels want to eradicate their Islamic way of life. The other side thinks thinks the Muslims want to eradicate their way of life.

One side thinks the infidels want to invade Arab land. The other side thinks Muslims want to invade and take over their country.

Congrats on becoming the thing you fear. Get help and maybe you can come out from under the bed some day.

I simply cannot understand how someone could be so fvcking ignorant to the issue.
These people are openly chanting death to america and openly preaching how they want to take over the world and you STILL deny it!!

JESUS!



I cannot simply understand how someone could be so fvcking ignorant to believe what a pro-Israeli orthodox Jewish website says about "radical Islam" and then try to belittle those that call it into question.


BUDDHA!

You must be illiterate. I mean Christ man, they chant it, they hold up signs.
They want you dead and you think this is a dmaned game?

You have to honestly be the most ignorant, blind person I've ever seen in my life.
 

Starbuck1975

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Islamic extremism is a symptom, a response of a more fundemental issue. Without fixing this issue, the symptoms will continue.
Not entirely true...the conflict between the Muslim world and the west extends back to the Crusades...the Islamic world ultimately lost that conflict, with European imperialism and the fall of the Ottoman Turkish Empire essentially setting the foundation for the rise of Islamic fundamentalism.

America's role in this conflict did not emerge until the Cold War and our support of Israel...France, the Soviets and other European nations are just as much at fault, if not more so, for establishing what has now become the status quo.

America and Israel are now the targets of this movement, but did not set the stage for its origins.

The dictators you talk about, most are a result or directly aided by US foreign policy.
Saddam Hussein was a monster we created...as was Bin Laden...but Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Hammas, Hezbollah and others were outside of our sphere of influence.
 

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Islamic extremism is a symptom, a response of a more fundemental issue. Without fixing this issue, the symptoms will continue.
Not entirely true...the conflict between the Muslim world and the west extends back to the Crusades...the Islamic world ultimately lost that conflict, with European imperialism and the fall of the Ottoman Turkish Empire essentially setting the foundation for the rise of Islamic fundamentalism.

America's role in this conflict did not emerge until the Cold War and our support of Israel...France, the Soviets and other European nations are just as much at fault, if not more so, for establishing what has now become the status quo.

America and Israel are now the targets of this movement, but did not set the stage for its origins.

The dictators you talk about, most are a result or directly aided by US foreign policy.
Saddam Hussein was a monster we created...as was Bin Laden...but Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Hammas, Hezbollah and others were outside of our sphere of influence.


All nonesense, there is no ongoing religious war. It's all about resources and political influence and the convenient scapegoat is "Islamic extremism" which are buzzwords created to scare the masses. Sure there are nutjobs out there that take Islam to extremes but they don't have the numbers or power that the West depicts. Furthermore, Iran is currently an Islamic state because of the United States, do some actual research before you go spouting off as some authority on the subject.
 

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It is a truly eye opening video. Fomer terrorists speaking.. Also great are the clips of the muslims who speak out on arabic television about these radicals. This video proves thier motives stright from thier mouths: destruction of israel, the west, and the world under the balck flag islamic religion.

Innocent and Naive Sweds in Malmo thinks like these clueless appeasers in this thread - It's a sad thing to see Gang rapes on infidel women, beatings and sharia law where the cops won't even go. All of Europe is basically finished the same way with 3:1 birthrates.. demographic Jihad there along with terorism.

I found it interesting when the former PLO dude made the comparison of Hilters "Mine Kampf" meaning struggle to "Jihad" meaning struggle and how they have both mophed into cultures of death, murder and the occult.
 

5150Joker

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Originally posted by: Zebo
All of Europe is basically finished the same way with 3:1 birthrates.. demographic Jihad there along with terorism.

You can't even mask your anti-Muslim bigotry well. What you're saying above is that ordinary Muslims will be terrorists in Europe and that it's finished because of a 3:1 birthrate. If that's not proof enough of you being a bigot troll I don't know what is. Going by your bioted logic USA is going to be overrun with Catholic Mexican terrorists that fill up our prisons, destroy property and wantonly kill people daily and then run across the border. Europe is much better off with Muslims and in the US the Muslims born here are typically highly educated vs. criminal Catholics that cross the border daily.

I noticed you conveniently ignored the fact that this video was created by a Pro-Israeli group (see last page). So you take this video as fact yet question the one I posted, more proof of your trollish bigotry.
 

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: Zebo
All of Europe is basically finished the same way with 3:1 birthrates.. demographic Jihad there along with terorism.

You can't even mask your anti-Muslim bigotry well. What you're saying above is that ordinary Muslims will be terrorists in Europe and that it's finished because of a 3:1 birthrate. If that's not proof enough of you being a bigot troll I don't know what is. USA is going to be overrun with Catholic Mexican terrorists that fill up our prisons, destroy property and wantonly kill people daily and then run across the border. Europe is much better off with Muslims and in the US the Muslims born here are typically highly educated vs. criminal Catholics that cross the border daily.

I noticed you conveniently ignored the fact that this video was created by a Pro-Israeli group (see last page). So you take this video as fact yet question the one I posted, more proof of your trollish bigotry.

Absolutly not they fear them more than we do, watch the video and see. But the moderate don't stand a chance becasue the radicals will kill them for apostasy if they don't comply with thier interprtation of Islam. That's the problem. It's happening all over Iraq unfortunatly right now.

As far as bigot count me in if it a person that despises the ideology of conquest, relentless attacks on its peaceful neighbors, it's disregard for the cultural, linguistic and religious histories of peoples all over the planet, it's treating women like vomit, it's killing of people who have freedom of conscience, religion, gays, apostates!!! If that's what it is, then count me in. If it means hating people due to their race or their ethnicity, count me out.

As far as Mexicans you might want to know I'm for open borders..stick around long enough or ask anyone. I get a lot of heat for it from both sides.

Nice assumptions asshat.
 

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I'm sorry, but what in God's name does "taking a stand" MEAN?

Edit: What actions are we being asked to take? Should we be blowing up mosques? Hunting down Osama ourselves? Electing a President who will actually do something productive to help fight terrorism instead of creating more terrorists? Tough-guy talk is great and all, but specifics are even better...
 

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Originally posted by: novon
The wiping of Israel off the map thing you're taking out of context from what he said. It doesn't mean Iran is planning to nuke Israel, it means they want Zionism as it exsists today to end. This could be done by Israel or US deciding to take a different approach from bombing civilians (not that it's any better when Hezbollah does it).

Religion has been abused by many political leaders to gain power and herd masses behind a cause. It's a tool to get people to fight, not the cause behind the conflict. It's no different than using the media in the US to rally support for Iraq or any of the other horendous acts the US takes.

Exactly, we need clear boarders with no occupation soon as a decade or two more of occupation then Iran or some terrorist group will get it's hands on nukes within the next decade or three and it won't be pretty. Unfortunately Israel has no intent of ever withdrawing to the Green Line, and until that changes then we are on a sure path to something very ugly.
 

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: Zebo
All of Europe is basically finished the same way with 3:1 birthrates.. demographic Jihad there along with terorism.

You can't even mask your anti-Muslim bigotry well. What you're saying above is that ordinary Muslims will be terrorists in Europe and that it's finished because of a 3:1 birthrate. If that's not proof enough of you being a bigot troll I don't know what is. USA is going to be overrun with Catholic Mexican terrorists that fill up our prisons, destroy property and wantonly kill people daily and then run across the border. Europe is much better off with Muslims and in the US the Muslims born here are typically highly educated vs. criminal Catholics that cross the border daily.

I noticed you conveniently ignored the fact that this video was created by a Pro-Israeli group (see last page). So you take this video as fact yet question the one I posted, more proof of your trollish bigotry.

As far as bigot count me in if it a person that despises the ideology of conquest, relentless attacks on its peaceful neighbors, it's disregard for the cultural, linguistic and religious histories of peoples all over the planet, it's treating women like vomit, it's killing of people who have freedom of conscience, religion, gays, apostates!!! If that's what it is, then count me in. If it means hating people due to their race or their ethnicity, count me out.

Sigh more useless drivel from Zebo. Your description aptly fits any European power within the last century bent on colonization and conquest and they happened to be Christians.

As far as Mexicans you might want to know I'm for open borders..stick around long enough or ask anyone. I get a lot of heat for it from both sides.

Nice assumptions asshat.


Oh I'm well aware of it and thats why I mentioned Mexicans to highlight your hypocrisy and anti-Muslim bigotry and hate. Compare the average Mexican vs. Muslim (with parents of foreign descent) in the USA and you'll see Muslims are far more educated and much less violent than the average Mexican yet according to you Muslims are hell bent on destruction, conquest blah blah blah. I mean, you're the same guy that gets a hard-on thinking of Palestinian women and children dying, I don't expect much out of you.
 

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This video is incorrectly stating that Muslims carried out the 9-11 operation. No they did not. Several of the 19 alleged hijackers of the aircraft that allegedly were driven by nutcase Arabs were later found alive in other Countries. We also have no proof the Muslims carried out the 9-11 operation.

So the rest of the video is all about justifying the war in Iraq. It's perception management.

The way to deal with Radical Islam is for starters, SECURING OUR USA BORDERS and stop letting into our Country anymore Muslims. But since the current pResident is being used to join Mexico, the USA and Canada and create completely free and open borders between all three Countries, we have a flood of illegal immigrants now pouring in over our southern border and over 15% are from Nations that are predominantly Muslim or Communist.

There are a lot more Islamic terrorists in the World today. No question about it. 100 times more now than before the recent wars on Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon. Their war is against each other (Sunni/Shi-ite) and against anyone who they feel wronged them. Israel is top on that list of theirs. The USA is next in line. Then Britain.

The Quran does teach all Muslims to wage a war against the entire non Muslim population on Earth who will not bow down to Allah. But liberal Muslims all ignore that level of obedience to their Prophets. They are the vast majority. To get a great bunch more Muslims to the level of "radical", takes some brainwashing by the local Mullahs and a war coming from a Western Nation to rally against.

All Muslims belong to an easily debunked false religion and so really the best way to solve this whole entire dilema is to gradually deprogram these 1.2 billion dupes. Waging wars based on lies against them just creates 100 times more pissed off jihadists.