radical Islam is spreading fast in US prisons

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Concern Grows Over Prison Islam Converts

Concern Grows Over Prison Islam Converts

By DON THOMPSON
The Associated Press
Saturday, August 20, 2005; 2:19 PM

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Recent arrests have focused attention on a potential terrorism danger that federal officials have been warning about _ that inmates in state prison systems are particularly susceptible to radical Islamist ideology.

But prison officials across the nation say they so far have seen more potential for recruitment than real threats.


Federal officials have arrested three men in Southern California since early July in a plot that allegedly targeted National Guard facilities, the Israeli Consulate in Los Angeles and several synagogues.

Authorities said they believe the plan originated among a shadowy group known as Jamiyyat Ul Islam Is Saheeh inside California State Prison, Sacramento.

Counterterrorism officials said the danger is not in the number of adherents to radical Islam but in the potential for small groups of dedicated believers to commit terrorist acts after they are released.

They point to Jose Padilla, an American Muslim convert arrested in 2002 for allegedly planning a "dirty bomb" radiological attack after he left jail.

"Nothing I have suggests there is a widespread Al Qaida recruitment movement within the prison system, but all you need is three or four to conduct an attack," said Gary Winuk, chief deputy director of the state Office of Homeland Security.

Prison officials nationwide "are all sort of hearing the chatter" about efforts to recruit inmates to extremist ideologies, said Martin Horn, commissioner of the New York City Department of Corrections. He would not elaborate.

However, prison officials in other states, including Pennsylvania and Ohio, where Muslim inmates helped spark an 11-day fatal riot in 1993, said they have seen no signs of recruiting. And Muslim leaders dispute the idea that prisons are producing Islamic militants.

In a report last year, the U.S. Department of Justice's inspector general found that the federal Bureau of Prisons was doing inadequate background or ideology checks on its Muslim clerics. It found that inmates and religious volunteers had "ample opportunity ... to deliver inappropriate and extremist messages without supervision."

Groups with domestic or foreign terrorism ties have been a prison phenomenon for decades, said Steven L. Pomerantz, a former FBI assistant director and counterterrorism chief. He said there was "no question ... we have a problem with militant Islam and its spread into the American prison system."

The Southern California case arose after 25-year-old Levar Haley Washington and another man were arrested July 5 on suspicion of robbing gas stations. Police found jihadist literature and evidence of a target list when they searched Washington's Los Angeles apartment. Law enforcement officials suspect Washington was radicalized in prison before he was paroled Nov. 29.

In California, chaplains' clerks or other inmates lead some religious ceremonies and sometimes preach an inflammatory version of Islam, said Lance Corcoran, executive vice president of the California Correctional Peace Officers Association. But he added, "I find most Muslim inmates to be very respectful, to be very easy to deal with."

The California prison system has 30 full- and part-time Muslim chaplains, civil service employees who undergo background checks and must adhere to mainstream Islam, said Terry Thornton, spokeswoman for the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

Shakeel Syed, a contract chaplain for the U.S. Bureau of Prisons, disagreed that prisons are turning out Islamic radicals. He joined representatives of Muslim groups Friday at a news conference in Los Angeles to say that chaplains can be part of the solution by steering inmates away from radical ideology.

"Those of us who are on the front lines battling extremism are not being utilized by law enforcement," said Salam Al-Marayati, executive director of the Muslim Public Affairs Council.

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Associated Press Writer Jeremiah Marquez contributed to this story from Los Angeles.


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Britain has a lot of problems today because they continue to let radicals to preach in their prisons. many converts to Islam become so in prisons. that is a fact. i'd say that western countries should monitor this disturbing trend

these radical islamists probably feel that the mind of prisoners is a weak one and one that could be easily transformed into their liking. how do we combat this?
 

tommywishbone

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.... A tale told by an idiot, filled with sound & fury.... signifing nothing. (Don Thompson not you RD):)

Rest easy. The California prison population is planning nothing. The convicts have 0.0 unity. They have no leadership. They have no goals. They are no threat to anyone. They want to get out of prison and cook meth, grow weed and eat fastfood. Trust me on this one.

Any chance a CDC (Calif. Dept. of Corr.) offical gets to tell the media how important their jobs are and how vauable a service they provide, they will grab that chance and embellish the facts until the cows/money comes home. They always attempt to validate the multi-BILLION dollar CDC budget. California prisons function as homeless shelters & drug rehab centers, very little else.
 

Cerb

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I rest my tin foil beanie hat at this man's feet.
(and then slowly, carefully, back away)
 

raildogg

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tommy, all you need is one person. other than that, ok. :)

i'm not sure if its the coordinated threat we should worry about, its just radical Islam in general. you may be well aware that prisoners all across the globe are being radicalized and converted by these radical clerics in prisons. they read propaganda and get filled with radical ideas. it goes on in UK, predominately. i don't want that here in the US.

mOeeOm, yes you are indeed very happy about the spread of radical islam. keep cheering on your fellow brothers, amen

Cerb, thanks for that well thought out post. it took a lot of time and thought, but you did it. thank you

i bet if it were radical Christianity being spread in the prisons, you all would be up in arms and howling and screaming in anger. but since its not christianity, anything goes.
 

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Originally posted by: raildogg
tommy, all you need is one person. other than that, ok. :)

i'm not sure if its the coordinated threat we should worry about, its just radical Islam in general. you may be well aware that prisoners all across the globe are being radicalized and converted by these radical clerics in prisons. they read propaganda and get filled with radical ideas. it goes on in UK, predominately. i don't want that here in the US.

mOeeOm, yes you are indeed very happy about the spread of radical islam. keep cheering on your fellow brothers, amen

Cerb, thanks for that well thought out post. it took a lot of time and thought, but you did it. thank you

i bet if it were radical Christianity being spread in the prisons, you all would be up in arms and howling and screaming in anger. but since its not christianity, anything goes.

Uh...radical Christianity IS being spread in U.S. prisons. It's called white supremacy.
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: raildogg
tommy, all you need is one person. other than that, ok. :)

i'm not sure if its the coordinated threat we should worry about, its just radical Islam in general. you may be well aware that prisoners all across the globe are being radicalized and converted by these radical clerics in prisons. they read propaganda and get filled with radical ideas. it goes on in UK, predominately. i don't want that here in the US.

mOeeOm, yes you are indeed very happy about the spread of radical islam. keep cheering on your fellow brothers, amen

Cerb, thanks for that well thought out post. it took a lot of time and thought, but you did it. thank you

i bet if it were radical Christianity being spread in the prisons, you all would be up in arms and howling and screaming in anger. but since its not christianity, anything goes.

Uh...radical Christianity IS being spread in U.S. prisons. It's called white supremacy.

thanks for sharing and also strenghting my view that many people have a Christiano-phobia, but not Islamo-phobia. which i find quite interesting

but hey, one group of wrong doers is okay, while the other one must be stopped
 

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Originally posted by: raildogg


thanks for sharing and also strenghting my view that many people have a Christiano-phobia, but not Islamo-phobia. which i find quite interesting

but hey, one group of wrong doers is okay, while the other one must be stopped

No phobias. Just facts. If you feel one group or other "must be stopped" then I would suggest you are the one who has phobias to overcome, not me.


 

dahunan

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Radical Islam versus Radical Christianity -- one wants to kill those who are different... the other only wants to oppress

 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: raildogg


thanks for sharing and also strenghting my view that many people have a Christiano-phobia, but not Islamo-phobia. which i find quite interesting

but hey, one group of wrong doers is okay, while the other one must be stopped

No phobias. Just facts. If you feel one group or other "must be stopped" then I would suggest you are the one who has phobias to overcome, not me.

oh no. treat both groups of radicals the same way ... put them away before they brainwash anymore people

as for *facts*. those are your opinions. please don't say they are facts. please tell me how radical Christianity is being spread thru our prisons and what the heck does it have to do with white supremecy?

our prisons are hardly white dominated. lots of blacks, latinos and whites. its a melting pot, to use that overused word
 

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About 1,600 of the 5,000 inmates at Angola, a Louisiana state Prison, are now professing Christians. That's a lot of converts. Also, Angloa actually has a 200-student Bible college within its premises, as well as its own Christian radio station.

 

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We want our prisons to punish so we should anticipate some form of revenge, no. Treat me like crap and I will eventually do it to you, no?
 

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Originally posted by: johnnobts
About 1,600 of the 5,000 inmates at Angola, a Louisiana state Prison, are now professing Christians. That's a lot of converts. Also, Angloa actually has a 200-student Bible college within its premises, as well as its own Christian radio station.

Well, hopefully your backwards religion will help them to stay out of trouble, but somehow I doubt it.
 

BBond

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Religious orthodoxy is just another one of the excuses people use to savage each other.

The only difference between Bush and bin Laden is, bin Laden will tell you so while he blows up innocent civilians. Bush won't.

 

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Originally posted by: BBond
Religious orthodoxy is just another one of the excuses people use to savage each other.

The only difference between Bush and bin Laden is, bin Laden will tell you so while he blows up innocent civilians. Bush won't.

QFT
 

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Originally posted by: johnnobts
About 1,600 of the 5,000 inmates at Angola, a Louisiana state Prison, are now professing Christians. That's a lot of converts. Also, Angloa actually has a 200-student Bible college within its premises, as well as its own Christian radio station.

Yep, playing the system like any con would - join the 'Christian Conversion' and get the perks, they get goodies for just playing.
A tad more food, maybe a book, a privelege here, a token there.
The Christian Enablers get to feel good that they helped with a conversion and a salvaged soul.
The Con might get out a year early - good conduct, parole.
Thanks suckers - he'll be more carefull and harder to catch next time.

That's how the system works, take advantage of what you can.

 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Freedom of religion
Agreed. I'm not sure what all the excitement is quite about.

It found that inmates and religious volunteers had "ample opportunity ... to deliver inappropriate and extremist messages without supervision."
So prisoners can talk to one another? :confused: What is the proposed solution to this 'problem?'
 

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: raildogg
tommy, all you need is one person. other than that, ok. :)

i'm not sure if its the coordinated threat we should worry about, its just radical Islam in general. you may be well aware that prisoners all across the globe are being radicalized and converted by these radical clerics in prisons. they read propaganda and get filled with radical ideas. it goes on in UK, predominately. i don't want that here in the US.

mOeeOm, yes you are indeed very happy about the spread of radical islam. keep cheering on your fellow brothers, amen

Cerb, thanks for that well thought out post. it took a lot of time and thought, but you did it. thank you

i bet if it were radical Christianity being spread in the prisons, you all would be up in arms and howling and screaming in anger. but since its not christianity, anything goes.

Uh...radical Christianity IS being spread in U.S. prisons. It's called white supremacy.


That is news! I now hate all Whites, Hispanics and Blacks that are Christians because you have proven to me that they are all really white supremists.

good grief....
 

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Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Originally posted by: BBond

Uh...radical Christianity IS being spread in U.S. prisons. It's called white supremacy.


That is news! I now hate all Whites, Hispanics and Blacks that are Christians because you have proven to me that they are all really white supremists.

good grief....

When did I ever say "all"? Where do you come up with this schizo garbage?

Little wonder you people are so easily deluded by your "leaders".
 

BBond

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PS You people would be better served worrying about the radical Islam that's spreading in Iraq -- and all thanks to your fearless leader, Georgie boy.
 

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Radical Islam and Crime, two ideologies that go hand in hand with each other. I couldn't imagine a better fit than prisoners and radical Islam. Luckily for us most of the prisoners are probably idiots that have difficulty tying their shoes, let alone devising master plans to destroy the evil satan
 

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Originally posted by: BBond

Uh...radical Christianity IS being spread in U.S. prisons. It's called white supremacy.


That is news! I now hate all Whites, Hispanics and Blacks that are Christians because you have proven to me that they are all really white supremists.

good grief....

When did I ever say "all"? Where do you come up with this schizo garbage?

Little wonder you people are so easily deluded by your "leaders".

Ok, I hate all radical (mening what? moral?) Christians regardless of their race because they are all really white supremists.

better?

 

tommywishbone

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At one time, there was a definite core group of White Supremacist in US prisons that utilized a perhaps distorted version of christianity as their guiding light. That core group is long gone. Current California & other US prisoners, who are validated White Supremacist are motivatied by the premise of 'safety in numbers' & 'you mess with one of us and you mess with all of us.' Both, valid & reasonable positions in today prisons.

While I do agree that prisons are excellent venues for recruiting the noncommited to your point of view, I have seen very little attempt by anyone with any vision or conviction to do so.

I maintain that while they make fine homeless shelters, prisons make for poor radical training camps.

1488.