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Prince of Persia

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I see on past threads that it doesn't matter, but wanted to make sure if there were any benchmarks out there to prove this? Also wanted to see what cpu is optimal yet not too expensive 🙂

Thanks for any input
 
it really doesn't matter-unless you like 2play at powerpoint like fps in your games, in which case the 256mb will pull ahead...

I guess that a xp3000+/3200+ or p4 equivalent would be ideal..my xp2000+ @2600+ doesnt quite cut it 4some stuff...would b nice 2 get higher min fps on hl2 4xample.

4benchies google it- 9800pro256mb-and the reviewers usually compared it 2 the 128MB when they tested
 
With my Athlon 64 2800+ and 9800 Pro, in most games, I am gpu limited, so around there cpu wise.

I would just get the 128MB 9800 pro as it is a good deal cheaper, and the performance difference does not exhist yet.
 
Originally posted by: LTC8K6
I can't accept the purchase of a 9800pro with the 6600GT AGP cards available.
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So what r you gunna do if someone buys one, go round their house and fvuck them up?
 
Originally posted by: Prince of Persia
I see on past threads that it doesn't matter, but wanted to make sure if there were any benchmarks out there to prove this? Also wanted to see what cpu is optimal yet not too expensive 🙂

Thanks for any input
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The real beauty of the 256MB Radeon Pro is to FLASH it into a 9800xt . . . . you get the automatic Overdrive, unlock the thermal diode and gain ~10% more performance over the regular 9800p.

Unflashed, it is only about 1-4% faster than the 128MB variety (noticeable in the latest games).

If you are interested, STUDY the following guide.

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Radeon 9800 Pro To Radeon 9800XT Mod Guide Rev. 6.0!
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The 9800 workd fine with just about any CPU . . . . my 9800xt is paired with my P4@3.31Ghz and can play ANY current FPS at 10x7 or 11x8 with everything 'max' and 'on' and 'high' even with some AA/AF.

EDIT: The 6600GT is a slightly faster and newer card . . . but it is also more expensive then the 9800p; there is nothing wrong with the 9800p as it is now a solid midrange card. 😛
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Originally posted by: apoppin
EDIT: The 6600GT is a slightly faster and newer card . . . but it is also more expensive then the 9800p; there is nothing wrong with the 9800p as it is now a solid midrange card. 😛
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Cheapest 256bit 9800pro on newegg

Cheapest 6600GT AGP on newegg

AT's head to head comparison between the cards

The 6600GT's performance against the 9800pro in different games ranges from flat out stomping it (Doom3) to narrowly beating it. In some games the performance advantage can be seen as slight, however in many including the doom3 engine which will likely be the base of many new titles, the 9800pro looks plain bad against the 6600gt.

Half Life 2 Benches from AT

The 6600GT doesn't have any crushing advantage here, but this is ATIs bread and butter and it still comes out ahead by a solid margin.

With a ~$10-15 difference between the two in price (which is more due to inflated demand than actual MSRP, a factor I feel the 9800pros also suffer from) to me it is clear what the card to have is. For just a tiny amount more money you've got a card that will hold its own in HL2 and stomp in Doom3, two big engines that will likely be the base for many games to come if we look at recent history. (How many titles used the Quake 3 engine? I have no idea, but I know its a lot.) I cannot advise anyone to buy a 9800pro at their current prices now that the 6600gt is on the scene.

ATI 9800pro is a great card, hell, I *want* one for my system which is always running older hardware anyway (never cared for the bleeding edge) but its just not a good purchase with the 6600gt AGP available. The price on the 9800pro's must fall for them to be competitive IMO, but fanboys will probably keep the demand up when they really should be taking a second look at nvidia. Nvidia blew it big time with the FX series, but their latest offerings have redeemed them.

Edit: Maybe there's a lower prices radeon 9800pro on newegg, I didn't search to hard for either of them. In which case I might change my opinion.
 
Originally posted by: PingSpike
Originally posted by: apoppin
EDIT: The 6600GT is a slightly faster and newer card . . . but it is also more expensive then the 9800p; there is nothing wrong with the 9800p as it is now a solid midrange card. 😛
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Edit: Maybe there's a lower prices radeon 9800pro on newegg, I didn't search to hard for either of them. In which case I might change my opinion.
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Yeah, you can get a new 9800p- 128MB/256bit for ~$180 . . . . you gotta find a 'hot deal' . . . . i paid $223 for my 9800xt from NewEgg last Spring. 🙂

Doom iii itself is Crap . . . . so i wouldn't get a 6600 for that reason . . . . most future Doom III engine titles won't be released till next year . . . by '06 you're gonna need a new card anyway (fox Dx10 and UnrealWarfare III engine). 😛

Also, i believe ATI has released newer drivers that improve its performance with the Doom iii engine . . . . . i most other games the difference is "slight" (i think there are even newer reviews than AT's that show the 9800p closer to the 6600's performance).😉

IF it were ME - now - i'd go for the newer card . . . . but i am 100% satisfied with my 9800xt's performance in ALL modern games (plays Diii/HL2/Chron of Riddick/ Thief III/DeuSex:IW) at either 10x7 or 11x8 all deteils 'max' and 'on' and 'high' even in some cases with AA/AF enabled. :thumbsup:

All things considered, the 9800p is a cheaper and good alternative to the 6600 series . . . . they will both need to be upgraded at about the same time. 😉
 
There are likely to be greater driver performance advancements for the 6600GT since it's still a new GPU.

Now, if some of those vaporware ATI cards start showing up and some of those ATI prices start coming down, I might change my mind. Right now, I still can't see any reason to purchase a 9800pro unless you get a heck of a deal on one, or you are buying used.
 
Originally posted by: LTC8K6
There are likely to be greater driver performance advancements for the 6600GT since it's still a new GPU.

Now, if some of those vaporware ATI cards start showing up and some of those ATI prices start coming down, I might change my mind. Right now, I still can't see any reason to purchase a 9800pro unless you get a heck of a deal on one, or you are buying used.
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of course . . . and i am only suggesting the 9800p as an cheaper alternative . . . . personally, i wouldn't get either - now - unless i HAD to upgrade from a 8500 or ti4200 . . . . i'd save up my money for a 6800GT (which seems to be falling in price and can be got for ~$320 now) 😉
 
you can find a 9800pro on pricewatch for like 160, and the 660gt is around 220.

I need to upgrade my cpu as well, and i'm on a budget. that's why i asked which cpu is best for the 9800pro, cuz i'm running a 1.33tbird currently.
 
Originally posted by: Prince of Persia
you can find a 9800pro on pricewatch for like 160, and the 660gt is around 220.

I need to upgrade my cpu as well, and i'm on a budget. that's why i asked which cpu is best for the 9800pro, cuz i'm running a 1.33tbird currently.
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if you're planning to play the latest games at 10x7, the 9800p will be a fine card for the next year or so . . . . it will work fine with your CPU although your cpu is the minimum for many modern games . . . you might consider o/c'ing it if you don't want to spend money . . . . other than that, head to the CPU/oc forum for what's the best upgrade for your MB (assuming you don't want to change your MB). 😉

Of course the 6600 will be "better" . . . . "is it $60 better?" is your call. . . . EITHER one will be a HUGE jump over your GF3.
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Originally posted by: Prince of Persia
you can find a 9800pro on pricewatch for like 160, and the 660gt is around 220.

I need to upgrade my cpu as well, and i'm on a budget. that's why i asked which cpu is best for the 9800pro, cuz i'm running a 1.33tbird currently.
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Where are you looking? Can you show me the 9800pro 128mb 256bit that was $160? (Seriously, I may actually buy that) Because I just checked price watch and the cheapest I could find was $199 and I'd never heard of the retailer. The cheapest 6600gt AGP was an XFX for $205 shipped from monarch computer.

I'm just not seeing this disparity in price that you guys are. I'm seeing a street value difference of $10-15 which puts them at the same price point to me. The $60 difference just seems flat out wrong. And hot deals...well, I'm sure they are available sometimes...but they're often a price mistake, are iffy at best with their availablility and are also available for the 6600gt from time to time so I can't really make a recommendation on that.

I agree now is not a good time to buy, the 600gt agp is still limited in availability and therefore inflated in price and the 9800pros prices will (hopefully) come down soon in response to the competition. I would still buy the 6600gt if I were looking for a midrange AGP right now. (And I sort of am, I have a ti4600 right now...but its a bad time to buy so I'll wait.)

I want a 9800pro for $150 new.
 

I want a 9800pro for $150 new.
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. . . gonna be awhile . . . . it's ati's midrange card and it is not in plentiful supply. ANd you missed it - there already have been sales in Hot Deals where it has been close to one-fifty ($159 i think) for a Retail 9800p 128MB/256bit.😛

I'd say Late Spring when the NEW cores are released (r520). 😉
 
I dont understand, what's wrong with paying a little more for 6600GT AGP and getting a lot more performance in Far Cry, Doom 3 and Halo over the ancient 9800Pro? Unless you can get 9800Pro for $150 and you are on a budget, I'd pick up the 6600GT for $200-210.
 
Originally posted by: RussianSensation
I dont understand, what's wrong with paying a little more for 6600GT AGP and getting a lot more performance in Far Cry, Doom 3 and Halo over the ancient 9800Pro? Unless you can get 9800Pro for $150 and you are on a budget, I'd pick up the 6600GT for $200-210.
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Are you still running that 8500?
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i think you answered your own post . . . . the only reason you'd get a 9800p over a 6600gt is "price" and if you game at relatively low resolutions (10x7).

and i don't think i'd use the expression "lot more" in comparing the 6600's performance vs the 9800p . . . . 😉
 
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: RussianSensation
I dont understand, what's wrong with paying a little more for 6600GT AGP and getting a lot more performance in Far Cry, Doom 3 and Halo over the ancient 9800Pro? Unless you can get 9800Pro for $150 and you are on a budget, I'd pick up the 6600GT for $200-210.
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Are you still running that 8500?
:shocked:

i think you answered your own post . . . . the only reason you'd get a 9800p over a 6600gt is "price" and if you game at relatively low resolutions (10x7).

and i don't think i'd use the expression "lot more" in comparing the 6600's performance vs the 9800p . . . . 😉
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or the expression "ancient" 😕
 
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: RussianSensation
I dont understand, what's wrong with paying a little more for 6600GT AGP and getting a lot more performance in Far Cry, Doom 3 and Halo over the ancient 9800Pro? Unless you can get 9800Pro for $150 and you are on a budget, I'd pick up the 6600GT for $200-210.
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Are you still running that 8500?
:shocked:

i think you answered your own post . . . . the only reason you'd get a 9800p over a 6600gt is "price" and if you game at relatively low resolutions (10x7).

and i don't think i'd use the expression "lot more" in comparing the 6600's performance vs the 9800p . . . . 😉
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or the expression "ancient" 😕
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Why would you call it 'ancient' ... . it's actually ati's "new" midrange card and it compares favorably - for its price - to the 6600 series) 😛
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