Radeon8500 comes within 1% of Ti4600 in real world benchmark!!

[FishTankX]

Radeon8500 comes within 1% of a Ti4600!! (My fault! This was mislinked! Everyone look at the Jedi Knight II 1600X1200 results. This is what I was talking about when I said comes within 1% of a Ti4600. And this was all using the same quality settings.
Radeon8500LE defeats Ti4600!!! :Q:Q:Q:Q:Q:Q look at the Grand cathedral 1600X1200X32 results!!!!

Now, this poll isnt useless, this thread isn't useless. I was merely trying to prove a point.

A piece of hardware, originally thought not fit to compete with the Ti500, is now competing with the Ti4600 in certian benchmarks. I was personally both shocked and pleased with this bit of information.

 

[ToBeMe]

To be perfectly honest, even though it's one test, and barely beats the Ti4600, the results overall seem odd..............I own both and have an 8500DV on the way, but, I'm not sure about these results considering others B/M'ed the same and the results were different. Need another poll option to be legit..........

As for the GF4 texture units being disabled by default...........that seems realistic..........nVidia has done this before and I'd bet on new drivers the day the 9700 is released.........

 

[gregor7777]

Originally posted by: ToBeMe
To be perfectly honest, even though it's one test, and barely beats the Ti4600, the results overall seem odd..............I own both and have an 8500DV on the way, but, I'm not sure about these results considering others B/M'ed the same and the results were different. Need another poll option to be legit..........

As for the GF4 texture units being disabled by default...........that seems realistic..........nVidia has done this before and I'd bet on new drivers the day the 9700 is released.........

On which card did they do that before ?

 

[ToBeMe]

Go look for the 3D Prophet 128 reviews, they've B/M'ed Serious Sam against the Ti4600/4400/4200 in most of them and the 8500 was always just below the 4400 in most tests. The only possibility is that they are now using the "Omega" drivers, bu then the results are to erradic. It should do better across the board and it's not.

 

[Mingon]

quote from article

Serious Sam SE likes to automatically manipulate video settings based on what kind of graphics card you have installed. I would think that the majority of users would go along with Serious Sam's recommendations and not manipulate things beyond their video resolution. So, this time around we're going to let Serious Sam SE dictate its own image quality settings, so let the flames begin

This just about makes the score pointless doesnt it ? as you cant tell what settings the cards are running except resolution then its worthless. I.E either card could be scoring higher as its using smaller textures/trillenear or billenear filtering etc.

 

[acejj26]

hell, even carmack said that from a hardware standpoint, the 8500 is right up there with the 4600. score 1 benchmark for the 8500, score about 2000 for the 4600. still shows you that drivers play a key role in graphics. this was perhaps one instance where hardware won.

 

[paralazarguer]

Ummm....where's the vote for:
"This benchmark doesn't jive with any other and is obviously biased - 8500 had trouble with the Ti500."

 

[Adul]

Originally posted by: 7757524
Ummm....where's the vote for:
"This benchmark doesn't jive with any other and is obviously biased - 8500 had trouble with the Ti500."

had trouble. keyword had

 

[vash]

With these kinds of benches, I still wonder why my Ti500 continually outpaces my Radeon 8500 128meg. In Quake3, the Radeon is pretty fast, but when it came to Direct3D, the Radeon gets beat nearly every time. Playing America's Army, the Radeon just gets beat to sub 20fps often and with my ti500, it rarely drops below 30fps. Both system processors and ram are identical, the only difference is the video card.

vash

 

[ToBeMe]

Originally posted by: 7757524
Ummm....where's the vote for:
"This benchmark doesn't jive with any other and is obviously biased - 8500 had trouble with the Ti500."

That's what I'm wondering.................worthless poll IMHO..........

 

[A5]

Originally posted by: Mingon
quote from article

Serious Sam SE likes to automatically manipulate video settings based on what kind of graphics card you have installed. I would think that the majority of users would go along with Serious Sam's recommendations and not manipulate things beyond their video resolution. So, this time around we're going to let Serious Sam SE dictate its own image quality settings, so let the flames begin

This just about makes the score pointless doesnt it ? as you cant tell what settings the cards are running except resolution then its worthless. I.E either card could be scoring higher as its using smaller textures/trillenear or billenear filtering etc.

Exactly. SS:SE dictates it's own settings for best performance. Anand's Numbers are far more representative of the real performance.

 

[Rainsford]

How about an option "I read the rest of the article and saw the 8500 do not so great in the rest of the benchmarks." ?

 

[Leon]

128Mb Radeon 8500 comes within 25% of 64Mb GF4 TI4200 performance!

 

[DaveSimmons]

Yep, worthless "are you still beating your wife?" poll, with no way to question the high level of smartness in the ATI's performance.

I trust Anand's UT2003 comparison much more to tell me which card to buy or recommend, though my GF3 is fine for now.

 

[Dean]

Before you Nvidia Fans and ATI Fans start fighting, I would like to say the Radeon has been improving alot lately in online benchmarks. In Anands they don't fair that well but they do here HardOCP and here sharkey's. The 8500 is doing alot better in the latest benchmarks but I still would not put it in the class of the Geforce4.

Its does compete well with the cards it was meant to compete with...the Geforce3 class and in most benchmarks it beats the g3 class..

 

[paralazarguer]

Sharky and Hardocp aren't comparing the cards with a next gen game. Anandtech is. They aren't comparable benchmarks.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by: 7757524
Sharky and Hardocp aren't comparing the cards with a next gen game. Anandtech is. They aren't comparable benchmarks.

And you are also comparing two different generations of videocards with 1 next generation game!! If you draw a conclusion from that well you are convinced a little too easily.

 

[paralazarguer]

We're comparing the same generation. The top of the line cards from ATI and the top of the line cards for nvidia. They're also both same generation in that they're both part of the DX8 generation vs the upcoming DX 9 generation and the past DX7 generation. These cards are very much from the same generation. The benchmarks aren't because some of the benchmarks are directx 7 centred and anandtech's are directx 8 centred.

 

[Wolfsraider]

still kudos to ati for price and performance. for a value card the ati is tops

 

[BD2003]

Geez, talk about a loaded poll...

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by: 7757524
We're comparing the same generation. The top of the line cards from ATI and the top of the line cards for nvidia. They're also both same generation in that they're both part of the DX8 generation vs the upcoming DX 9 generation and the past DX7 generation. These cards are very much from the same generation. The benchmarks aren't because some of the benchmarks are directx 7 centred and anandtech's are directx 8 centred.

You are still comparing one video card at the end of its product cycle with a card thats has some breath still in it, and with only one game thats still in the development stage. It makes no sense!!

Would I take a G4-ti4600 over a radeon 8500? you betcha!!
Would I take a G4-ti4400 over a radeon 8500? you betcha!!
Would I take a G4-ti4200 over a radeon 8500? Tougher Decision, the 4200 is a little faster at most games, but ther radeon has more features
Would I take a G3-ti500 over a radeon 8500? Yes at one time, now a definate NO!!

If you compare the Radeon to the cards at its price point and generation when it was released, it turns out to be a damn fine card!

 

[Oreo]

Serious Sam SE likes to automatically manipulate video settings based on what kind of graphics card you have installed. ... So, this time around we're going to let Serious Sam SE dictate its own image quality settings, so let the flames begin.

That about sums it up.

 

[Pabster]

Radeon 8500 has come a long way, no bones about it. It's a fine card at an unbeatable price. Unfortunately, comparing it to Ti4600 is a little laughable. I don't buy that 1% in the least. Maybe with the lowest quality detail and no AA/anisotropy, and with GF4 doing 4X AA and 128 tap aniso Ti4600 annihiliates Radeon 8500 across the board. Don't fool yourself. Having used both the latest and greatest 128MB Radeon 8500 (clocked above stock, as well) and the vanilla GF4 Ti4600 (300/650) I can assure you that the GF4 walks all over it.

So is the 8500 a great price/performance value? YES. But, realistically, is it Ti4600 competition? NO.

 

[cmdrdredd]

bah...using SeriousSam for a benchmark is about as good as using your driveway to test your new Ferarri.

IT'S STUPID AND LIMITED!

 

[paralazarguer]

Would I take a G3-ti500 over a radeon 8500? Yes at one time, now a definate NO!!

Really? I guess that depends on whether having your textures produced properly and being able to run 32bit color in Ghost recon and some other games are important. The only guy with an ATI at my last LAN party was the laughing stock. He just couldn't keep up!