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Radeon vs GF2/3

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noxipoo

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So i bought a radeon 64vivo when i got my puter and overall its ok. I use win2k mostly so gaming is a pain sometimes. UT has been crashing (freezing) with beta drivers so i went back to the official drivers. I haven't played it yet because i hate rebooting. Anyway, I bought radeon because of 2D, i don't like none crisp pictures in windows with this expensive monitor i slaved for months to get. But i sometimes regret the crappy win2k drivers and compatibility problems.

please don't tell me the ME/2K drivers are the same because they aren't, i get double the FPS in ME with many many MANY difference driver versions in both OSes. Anyway, i'm thinking about replacing the Radeon since i don't see any improvements in drivers anytime soon.

so now comes my question, in you opinion is the GF2/3 cards 2D good? is it crisp and clear at 1600x1200 compared to radeon? basically i'm trying to figure out is the faster gaming is worth the 2D sacrifice.
 
The GeForce 3 is supposed to have pretty good 2d, not comparable to the Radeon's though. I've heard many many bad things about the GeForce 2's 2d because of the cheap filters companies are using.
 
most geforce2's look pretty mediocre in 2d. from what i've heard, the geforce3 is good in 2d, but not "radeon good", i would stick with the radeon until the radeon II comes out. then, even if you decide to get a geforce3, the prices will have been pushed down.

--jacob
 
My GF3s have better 2d image quality than my Radeon ever had and that includes 1600x1200. Are you using the 3224 drivers and DirectX8.0a in W2k? I really have not had that many issues under W2K. Go here for further help- Link
 
i'm using the latest official from ATI, 3102s. the betas gave me refresh errors, basically i'm stuck in 60hz.
 
I think the 2d quality of my Visiontek GF2 GTS is the best of any card I've ever seen. Better than the 3dfx Voodoo3 it replaced, which was highly touted as one of the best for 2d, just below the Matrox cards. Perhaps my perfect vision, and a correctly calibrated 17" monitor have something to do with it?
 
hehe perfect vision 🙂 well my monitor was calibrated by Iiyama, their techs (mostly female 🙂 are very helpful
 
I've been a little dissapointed with my Radeon LE in Win2K. In Win2K, it just doesn;t seem much faster than my old Voodoo3 3000. 2D quality isn't any better either.
 
not considering voodoo, they are dead... never have considered them after voodoo1. i'm wondering about radeon vs gf2/3. not considering matrox either, frankly, going radeon to anything matrox right now has 0 gains and is a downgrade. Radeon has good 2D already.
 
I keep hearing about poor 2D quality on the nVidia cards - I must have built about 5 systems for friends with MX or GTS cards and each and everyone had perfectly clear and sharp 2D - the latest system I built for one of my friends had the then "new" MX 400 and he was very impressed with the card - he is a CAD engineer too - so hopefully that says something about the image quality etc etc 😉

My friend with the GTS system had read on here somewhere that in some cases the GTS was so bad at text you could not read it?!? He almost didn't buy the card due to reading that! When it was installed in his system he was very happy with it indeed.
I'm sure his actual comment was something like, "what was all that f@cking $hit about the text then?" 😉

Maybe over stateside you get poorer quality nVidia cards? - all the cards I ever used/experienced were sourced in Hong Kong - and were all very low cost too 🙂

I think it is also a relative statement regarding the 2D quality - sure perhaps an ATi card or Matrox card can produce "better" 2D quality but that does not mean the other cards have "bad" 2D quality.

A Subaru WRX may be slower than a Ferrari...but a WRX is by no means a slow car 😉

Noxipoo (curious handle - negative suggestion - hehe) perhaps if you get decent performance in windows ME you could just change to using that OS as opposed to using 2000? Especially when gaming..after all ME boots up as quick as anything 😉
 


<< I keep hearing about poor 2D quality on the nVidia cards - I must have built about 5 systems for friends with MX or GTS cards and each and everyone had perfectly clear and sharp 2D - the latest system I built for one of my friends had the then &quot;new&quot; MX 400 and he was very impressed with the card - he is a CAD engineer too - so hopefully that says something about the image quality etc etc >>


Last week, I was running two nVidia cards - a MX and a MX400. Both had very clear 2D @ 1024 x 768 resolutions. I didn't run them any higher, so I can't comment on higher resolutions. However, I believe most of the comments on poor 2D quality with the nVidia chipsets have stemmed from users who run at higher resolutions. Poor filters on the nVidia cards appear to be blamed for this lack of quality.
 
The worse 2d quality usually isn't noticeably until higher than 1024x768. In which case even the best GF2 2d quality card (maybe an ELSA or VisionTek) still isn't IMO as good as the Radeon. I hear the GF3 2d quality is about the same as the Radeon. Some say it's worse some say it's better so we'll just figure it's about the same.

I don't know what's wrong. My Radeon in win2k has been working flawlessly in every game I've tried, including UT. Was using the 3132 betas, now using the 3224s. The refresh rate problem is a win2k bug!! Radeon users have several ways of fixing it and I chose Powerstrip to just force the refresh rate I say at each resolution.
 
Well on my MSI Geforce 2,I can notice a very slight blurriness starting at 1024x768. My friend thinks it perfectly fine but my eyes start to get sore after a short time of doing 2d stuff. He thinks it all in my mind after reading all the negative stuff on Nvidia 2d,LOL. I guess my eyes get so used to seeing something at a certain level that even the slightest change can really affect me. Thinking about doing that filter mod but dont have the gouts. Great gaming card though,hehe
 
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