Radeon HD5450 card and HD3000 integrated difference...

[waltchan]

Lately, my most two common low-end GPUs I'm installing is either the Radeon HD5450 card for AM3 boards without any GPU built-in, or save $40 by using the integrated Radeon HD3000 GPU on the motherboard provided by Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 model for example.

Where does the Radeon HD5450 stand today, and is this one still much faster than integrated HD3000, and is it significant? That's all I can afford, trust me.

As far as I know, Windows 8.1 minimum requirement for the Radeon series is HD5450. But is HD5450 more than enough for basic tasks?

 

[VirtualLarry]

I think that the 5450 has like 40 VLIW4 or VLIW5 shaders. Which is equivalent (very roughly) to 8 CUDA cores (8600GT). It's really low-end. I think that the HD3000 is lower-end still. (I don't think HD3000 has enough gusto to hardware-accelerate 1080P YouTube, for example. I think that the 5450 does.)

The lowest discrete card that I would go with, would be an NV GT430, which has (I think) 96 CCs. I got a good deal on some GT630 cards, the ones with 384CC Kepler GPUs, so I stocked up. I think that those are even powerful enough for some low-end gaming.

 

[SPBHM]

HD 5450 is 80SPs (HD 3000 40), HD 3000 is basically the old HD 2400, without UVD and slower memory access.

the HD 5450 can be used for video decoding acceleration, but if your CPU is fast enough this might not be needed, also the 5450 is still included on the latest drivers,

I would save the $40 for a better GPU, but the HD 5450 should be a clearly better than the HD 3000 from AMD (the HD 3000 from Intel is different story)

 

[NTMBK]

Honestly, I would question why you are building machines using AM3 at this point. I would recommend using either FM2(+) or LGA1150/1155, and using the integrated graphics. More modern integrated graphics have better support for hardware accelerated video decode, which will improve things like online video streaming.

What does the rest of a typical system look like? What sort of CPU are you using?

 

[DownTheSky]

An AMD APU + cheap mobo would be a better fit.

 

[Spjut]

The HD 5450 is definitely better than the IGP.
AMD doesn't even support the HD 2000-4000 series anymore, the latest Legacy driver was 13.9 for Vista and 7, and no release notes mentioning any fix.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

The integrated ones aren't that far behind
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html

The 5450's only real purpose is to have "a" gpu in pc's that have none, if there's integrated I wouldn't waste $40.

Everything under 260X / gtx 750 is wasted money imo.

 

[sm625]

The HD5450 is about 2.5x faster than the HD3000 radeon IGP. Intel HD3000 is faster than a HD5450.

 

[Headfoot]

5450 on AM3 is a waste. Just use FM2+ or modern Intel and the iGPU will be faster and the CPU will be faster in the same budget once you cut out the $40 the 5450 costs. Win win

 

[waltchan]

I would save the $40 for a better GPU, but the HD 5450 should be a clearly better than the HD 3000 from AMD (the HD 3000 from Intel is different story)

I have a strict budget limit of under $25 AR for each card, and the best I can do is Radeon HD5450, GeForce 210, or integrated Radeon HD3000 at this moment. How does GeForce 210 compare to Radeon HD5450?

I think the graphic card prices are ridiculous. Micro Center is still selling HD5450 cards for over $35, not a fair price at all. I think they should be around $19.99 by now, but it's not to my disappointment.

 

[waltchan]

5450 on AM3 is a waste. Just use FM2+ or modern Intel and the iGPU will be faster and the CPU will be faster in the same budget once you cut out the $40 the 5450 costs. Win win

You're absolutely right. But I receive so many FREE after rebate on the Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 AM3+ mATX boards from Micro Center all the time with any FX processor, and I don't know what to do with them. I can easily sell each FX processor for up to $30 profit on eBay each time, and replace it with a $10 Athlon II X2 220 for example, and the combo price ends up to be a $15 money-maker, no money spent. :biggrin:

 

[cbn]

I have a strict budget limit of under $25 AR for each card, and the best I can do is Radeon HD5450, GeForce 210, or integrated Radeon HD3000 at this moment. How does GeForce 210 compare to Radeon HD5450?

I think the graphic card prices are ridiculous. Micro Center is still selling HD5450 cards for over $35, not a fair price at all. I think they should be around $19.99 by now, but it's not to my disappointment.

At one time this card constantly went on sale for $9.99 After rebate free shipping:

(I think the last time it was on sale was May 26th, 2015)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131338

There are some complaints of failures though and some folks complain of not getting the rebate (maybe some of this is related to Power Color's strict rebate instructions?)

 

[waltchan]

At one time this card constantly went on sale for $9.99 After rebate free shipping:

(I think the last time it was on sale was May 26th, 2015)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131338

There are some complaints of failures though and some folks complain of not getting the rebate (maybe some of this is related to Power Color's strict rebate instructions?)

Yeah, I'm well aware on PowerColor cards. I bought this two times and received the rebates two times no problems, luckily. I used SlickDeals to monitor any graphic card deal?

 

[cbn]

Walt,

I'll keep my eyes peeled for that Power Color HD 5450 deal. It also makes a good card if a person needs HDMI for LGA 775.

In fact, I've been wondering how well the H.264 decode works (for the purposes of recieving streamed steam games)

 

[cbn]

HD 5450 is 80SPs (HD 3000 40), HD 3000 is basically the old HD 2400, without UVD and slower memory access.

the HD 5450 can be used for video decoding acceleration, but if your CPU is fast enough this might not be needed, also the 5450 is still included on the latest drivers,

I would save the $40 for a better GPU, but the HD 5450 should be a clearly better than the HD 3000 from AMD (the HD 3000 from Intel is different story)

I use a Core 2 duo E6550 (with GMA 3100 that doesn't have H.264 decode) and I have no problem playing back 1080p You tube.

So I would imagine it wouldn't take much in the way of AM3 CPU power to get to around the lack of Video decode for general video playback.

P.S. Here is what one of the Newegg reviewers (on 5/12/2015) for wrote about the iGPU (for GIGABYTE GA-78LMT-USB3 (rev. 6.0):

Cons: The onboard video is not usable with Windows Media Center. Gigabyte states on their product page that this boars supports HDCP, and maybe it does under some circumstances... However I ran into some problems here.
I got this board to replace the dead motherboard in my HTPC. Under Windows 7, Media Center wouldn't allow playback of premium channels (DRM) and under Windows 8 (I did a fresh install) I couldn't even get the video to qualify during media center setup. The onboard video (AMD Radeon HD 3000) is so ancient that AMD ended support for this chip two years ago, and to get the driver working under Windows 8.1 I had to force it to install in Device Manager. I ended up disabling the onboard video and spending another $30 for a cheap 1-slot nVida card with passive cooling just so I could get my HTPC functional again.

Other Thoughts: If you just want a cheap system to get some extra life out of some old memory or CPU this will be fine. Works just fine with Linux and Windows 7, and with a force install of the video driver under Window 8.1 it's even OK for basic stuff like web browsing or office productivity, but if you want to do any kind of video playback or use as an HTPC, you'll need to find a decent low-profile 1-slot video card and just disable the onboard video.

I guess there are certain DRM issues that need iGPU support regardless of CPU power?

 

[cbn]

I'll keep my eyes peeled for that Power Color HD 5450 deal. It also makes a good card if a person needs HDMI for LGA 775.

In fact, I've been wondering how well the H.264 decode works (for the purposes of recieving streamed steam games)

Power color HD5450 on sale for $9.99 AR free shipping:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131338

 

[cbn]

Regarding the HD5450 (Specifically the PowerColor HD5450 that goes on sale for $9.99 AR free shipping), I am wondering if anyone has used it for game streaming client (Windows or Linux) on steam?

Does it do a good job of decoding?

Also I am wondering how well it does playing Team Fortress 2 (native gameplay, not streamed from host).

 

[tcsenter]

There is very little price difference between HD 5450 and HD 6450. The HD 6450 has twice as many SPs (80 v. 160). For what, like $5 or $10 more at most, I'd just go with HD 6450 instead.