Radeon HD 6970 is 10 - 20% faster than GTX 480....FUDZILLA says :AMD claims

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Wreckage

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So you are trying to say, that the 6870 was released to combat the GTX580 ? And was "not" released to combat the sales of the GTX460 ?

I'm saying the 6870 is currently AMD's high end. They don't have anything to combat the 5xx series.
 

Sickamore

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Having a dual gpu such as the 5970 in your rig doesn't make any sense if it doesn't beat a sli or a cf set up.
 

Sickamore

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Ah, so then you admit that your previous claim is wrong and the 6870 is not the current high-end?

Thanks for being so honest.

He should clarify his self more ont that statement. Amd 6870 as of right now is their Current high end product in the 6000 series. In terms of high end graph cards its the 5970. When the other 6000 series we will know how the market stands between nv and amd.
 

cusideabelincoln

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He should clarify his self more ont that statement.
But he won't. He will only make (shorted) statements to portray Nvidia in the better light. The situation doesn't matter because it's possible to spin anything. He could very well be playing a game, PR game perhaps, as it would take an incredibly devout person to ignore the other side. Which mold he fits I cannot determine conclusively, but his manner of posting is as obviously bright as a cloudless day. In a desert.

You would never see him make a similar statement one year ago.


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tincart

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He should clarify his self more ont that statement. Amd 6870 as of right now is their Current high end product in the 6000 series. In terms of high end graph cards its the 5970. When the other 6000 series we will know how the market stands between nv and amd.

This won't do, we'll need to clarify it further since we have two different meanings for "high end" here that leads to confusion such that both the 6870 and 5970 are being called "high end" when they are very, very different.

So we seem to have the idea of absolute high end which would be the highest performing graphics card available. That would be the 5970.

Then we have the highest performing card within a given card series, in which case we might call the 6870 a current relative high end when we compare it to the other cards that are both currently available and within the same family.

But the relative high end is pretty strange. There are only two cards in the current 6xxx line, so is the 6850 the low end, in relative terms? That seems like an abuse of language to me.

It also seems arbitrary to use the current relative high end term until all the prospective cards that we would reasonably expect in that series to be released (e.g. 69xx's and the lower-end parts 67xx and so on). What I'm suggesting is that before you give something a determination of relative position, you need a class of relevant objects to organize in that class.

Finally, it seems there is no principled way to decide the "grain" at which we would apply the current relative high end. Is the 5770 the current high end of the 57xx series? Is the 5670 the current high end of the 56xx series? The terminology doesn't seem useful since you would be calling cards that are mid- or low- end on the "absolute" scale as "high end" on the current relative scale.

What might be more reasonable and simple is to say that the 6850 and 6870 are the mid-range cards of a series that has not yet been completely released and that the high end is, as we all understand, yet to come.
 

cusideabelincoln

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This won't do, we'll need to clarify it further since we have two different meanings for "high end" here that leads to confusion such that both the 6870 and 5970 are being called "high end" when they are very, very different.

So we seem to have the idea of absolute high end which would be the highest performing graphics card available. That would be the 5970.

Then we have the highest performing card within a given card series, in which case we might call the 6870 a current relative high end when we compare it to the other cards that are both currently available and within the same family.

But the relative high end is pretty strange. There are only two cards in the current 6xxx line, so is the 6850 the low end, in relative terms? That seems like an abuse of language to me.

It also seems arbitrary to use the current relative high end term until all the prospective cards that we would reasonably expect in that series to be released (e.g. 69xx's and the lower-end parts 67xx and so on). What I'm suggesting is that before you give something a determination of relative position, you need a class of relevant objects to organize in that class.

Finally, it seems there is no principled way to decide the "grain" at which we would apply the current relative high end. Is the 5770 the current high end of the 57xx series? Is the 5670 the current high end of the 56xx series? The terminology doesn't seem useful since you would be calling cards that are mid- or low- end on the "absolute" scale as "high end" on the current relative scale.

What might be more reasonable and simple is to say that the 6850 and 6870 are the mid-range cards of a series that has not yet been completely released and that the high end is, as we all understand, yet to come.
In other words, context (the situation, a reference point, the environment, etc) matters, and this is how his game is played.

As an example, one can turn around and say:

"There is no competition for the 6800 cards. Nvidia's 500 cards are out but they are way more expensive and power hungry. AMD is leading this generation's performance in the sub-$250 market. Nvidia has nothing to compete."

I mean, seriously, if you just look at a blanket statement like that, and he actualized that kind of thinking, he would have made a thread titled "Why the HD 6850 was right for me: It was under $200 and it was the fastest card of the current generation. Nvidia has nothing at this price to compete."

I do not approve of either approach, especially when it's done on purpose.
 
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PlasmaBomb

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Yeah it's a bit like saying a V6 Mustang is the most powerful Mustang available because the dealership doesn't have a V8 on the lot.

It completely ignores the fact that you can get a V8 if you wait...
 

Gloomy

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Every team needs a pitcher that can throw curveballs. This one's doing zig-zags ahuehue heu hae
 

Firestorm007

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We don't have long to go now. Let's see what AMD brings to the table and go from there. I just don't understand the infatuation over one video card maker over another. They both have advantages and disadvantages; and to each there own. Why constantly bash one company in favor of the other for the sake of just doing so, baffles me. Its' completely illogical. Competition is good for all of us; and even if we're only playing DX9 console ports; you still got to admit that new technology is too much fun.
 
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chewietobbacca

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From Gibbo at OCUK

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=17967108&postcount=707

Hi there

All I can say is they are bloody fast.

For the money I am amazed.

I can see this launch being hugely sucessul for ATI, easily on par with 58xx series but better because I literally have enough stock to prevent running out which will also mean our pricing will be excellent and I should be able to keep the price low low, no price hikes.
 

badb0y

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Actually if you think about it after the failure of the HD 2000 series, ATi made it clear they were not going for the single card domination crown anymore. If anything this shows how close AMD's single cards have come to nVidia's single GPU cards. IMO the 6990 doesn't even have to be released besides the fact that they can stroke their e-peen.
 

happy medium

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The 6970 will apparently be a much more attractive purchase than the GTX580
Fixed 6870.....

Yea it seems the 6970 will be slower but at a more attractive price.
But slower is slower. I never mentioned price.

They will probrobly will be cheaper and nvidia will just cut there prices to match there performance increase.
 

Illyan

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I would like to think the performance will exceed our expectations, and AMD is pricing the 69XX lower in an effort to gain even more desktop marketshare. I would like to think this, however I'm not optimistic as it hasn't happened since the 48XX series.