Radeon HD 4670 512MB V.S. ASUS ULTIMATE GeForce 9800 GT 512MB

[spankmster]

Ive heard some pretty astounding claims on the ati 4670 for the price tag of only 89.99 and the specs as far as what are written look pretty comparable to the asus 9800gt which is just a reflashed and overclocked 8800GTX with a bigger fan. its clocked around 149.99. anyone ever come across or have personal experience enough to give a comparison on these cards? and if the 4670 isnt necessarily better, is the performance jump enough to warrant the price difference?

 

[RockinZ28]

Think the 4670 is weaker than the 9600GT, and by a good deal in a lot of games. The Asus 9800GT Ultimate is basically an overclocked g92 8800gts, it has the extra SP over a standard 8800/9800GT, which will well outperform the 4670. Also has the superior dual slot cooler. Newegg had it for $125 AR a couple days ago, not sure if they still do.

 

[spankmster]

thanks for the quick reply. but the 125 deal is no longer available on new egg, thats where i got the 149 figure. but do think for relative budget machine the performance is worth the price jump? ive got a theoretical build right now all mapped out and for around 400 to 500 depending on which of these cards i get. i basically just want to be able to tackle just about any game i come in contact with on medium settings and medium resolution at full frame rate. COD4 mainly. would the ati cut the mustard for the price?

 

[RockinZ28]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...66&Tpk=asus%20ultimate
Still works for me. 150-25 MIR.

Here's a review of the 4670, compare that to what res you play at and see if it gives you the frames you want. A standard 8800/9800 GT can be had for $110 or less also, and would offer a good performance jump over the 4670.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/...radeon-hd-4670-review/

 

[Dazed and Confused]

All over the net the story is the same. The HD 4670 is an epic fail compared to the 9600 GT which is only $10 - $20 away from the HD 4670 so in all reality unless you need a card that consumes even less power than the 9600 GT due to a tiny case with no ventilation or u just wanna save $5 a year on your electric bill the HD 4670 is not really a good deal for anyone in the market for a new $75 - $100 card.

If you are eyeballing an HD 4670 because you can't afford a 9600 GT then I say you've already waited this long so hold out a couple more weeks and stop buying all them dang Oreos and Hershey's bars because your fat butt can't put em down and save for a 9600 GT.

 

[error8]

Originally posted by: spankmster
9800gt which is just a reflashed and overclocked 8800GTX with a bigger fan.

Where did you get that? 9800 GT is plain and simple an 8800 GT ( not an 8800 GTX !!!) with a flashed bios and nothing more. There is no difference on the cooler or in the clocks. They are the same. Now, there are some producers, that are trying to empty their G92 stocks and they are selling 8800 GTS under the name of 9800 GT. Asus has one of those in the link RockinZ28 posted here.

4670 is, like others said, weaker then 9600 GT and 9800 GT. Now, if you game at 1280X1024 and less then that, this ATI just might do the trick for you, but that 128 bit memory interface, just kills performance at higher resolutions.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: error8

Originally posted by: spankmster
9800gt which is just a reflashed and overclocked 8800GTX with a bigger fan.

Where did you get that? 9800 GT is plain and simple an 8800 GT ( not an 8800 GTX !!!) with a flashed bios and nothing more. There is no difference on the cooler or in the clocks. They are the same. Now, there are some producers, that are trying to empty their G92 stocks and they are selling 8800 GTS under the name of 9800 GT. Asus has one of those in the link RockinZ28 posted here.

4670 is, like others said, weaker then 9600 GT and 9800 GT. Now, if you game at 1280X1024 and less then that, this ATI just might do the trick for you, but that 128 bit memory interface, just kills performance at higher resolutions.

The 9800gt he is talking about is the Asus 9800GT Ultimate which is just a rebadged 8800GTS 512mb. Its something that only Asus has done to move old inventory I guess. RockinZ28 posted a link to it in his post.

The ONLY reason to get a 4670 would be if you had a tiny case and weak power supply. It would be nice upgrade over integrated graphics or cards like the 3450/3650 or 8500gt/8600gt.

 

[nosfe]

the 4670 is intended as a cheap graphics card that can run games at 1280 and below; if you want to play at a higher resolutions, you have more money to blow, or like to play games a lot then this isn't the right card for you, simple as that

 

[Cookie Monster]

The thing is that there are other "cheap" cards competing against the HD4670. 9600GT which is alot faster than the HD4670 is only 10~20 dollars more expensive..

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Dazed and Confused
All over the net the story is the same. The HD 4670 is an epic fail compared to the 9600 GT which is only $10 - $20 away from the HD 4670 so in all reality unless you need a card that consumes even less power than the 9600 GT due to a tiny case with no ventilation or u just wanna save $5 a year on your electric bill the HD 4670 is not really a good deal for anyone in the market for a new $75 - $100 card.

If you are eyeballing an HD 4670 because you can't afford a 9600 GT then I say you've already waited this long so hold out a couple more weeks and stop buying all them dang Oreos and Hershey's bars because your fat butt can't put em down and save for a 9600 GT.

Dude, are you dazed and confused? The 4670 is NOT an epic fail by any means. It fits right in performance-wise where it should for the exact reasons you stated. It's a low power small card that is for light to moderate gaming but really shines when it comes to video decoding. It's not intended for 1920x1200 4xAA 16xAF.

The epic fail really is the 9600GT, which is going to be cannibalizing NVIDIA's 8800 sales after their knee-jerk price drops. Understandably it's about market share, but the 4670 was never meant to show up the 9600GT, it was meant to mock and berate the 9500GT.

 

[nosfe]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
The thing is that there are other "cheap" cards competing against the HD4670. 9600GT which is alot faster than the HD4670 is only 10~20 dollars more expensive..

true, but there are a lot of people who don't need 9600gt performance and/or don't have/want to spend +$20 on a video card. Also don't forget that not everybody lives in rebate land, where i'm from the 9600gt costs over $150, not a nice price for a video card for casual gamers, the difference between a 9600gt and a 4670 here is about $50

 

[AzN]

Why buy a 4670 when you can get a 9600gso for $50 after rebate and still a little faster?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130356

Overclock this sucker to 700/1700/1000 and you basically have 8800gt performance.

4670 is good for 300 watt power supplies. Like OEM computers. Too much competition in it's price range to be considered right now. Maybe if it drops to $50-60 range.

That Asus 9800gt will demolish the 4670 for what it's worth.

 

[SunnyD]

Here's an interesting point of thought - I just trolled through a bunch of reviews and it looks to me like the 4670 has a fairly quiet ace up it's sleeve. I specifically was looking for CrossFire reviews with the 4670, and for those that have a CrossFire capable board and are on a budget (buy a card now, save up, buy another later) you're in for a treat. In almost all of the tests, 2x 4670's not only smashed the 9800GT, but either was within a couple percent or faster than a 4850.

This of course doesn't come without it's caveats - as now you're looking at a multi-GPU setup, and have to deal with some of the issues with CrossFire. But here's a couple thoughts:

- Assuming you have a CrossFire capable board (which I would guess most with Intel CPU's do these days), this is a pretty huge value to you.
- Pay around $70 for a decent low-to-mid range card... get decent performance.
- Save up your pennies and wait for a good deal on a second 4670, and have even better performance on par with higher-end parts (4850).

The catch is that prices will always go down on these things, so why not wait until you can snag a 4850 or even a 4870? Well, for starters, if you're on a more budget box, odds are you have a lower end PSU. The 4670 doesn't require much in terms of juice!

Again, it's all up to the buyer, but the 4670 is a really REALLY nice card.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Here's an interesting point of thought - I just trolled through a bunch of reviews and it looks to me like the 4670 has a fairly quiet ace up it's sleeve. I specifically was looking for CrossFire reviews with the 4670, and for those that have a CrossFire capable board and are on a budget (buy a card now, save up, buy another later) you're in for a treat. In almost all of the tests, 2x 4670's not only smashed the 9800GT, but either was within a couple percent or faster than a 4850.

This of course doesn't come without it's caveats - as now you're looking at a multi-GPU setup, and have to deal with some of the issues with CrossFire. But here's a couple thoughts:

- Assuming you have a CrossFire capable board (which I would guess most with Intel CPU's do these days), this is a pretty huge value to you.
- Pay around $70 for a decent low-to-mid range card... get decent performance.
- Save up your pennies and wait for a good deal on a second 4670, and have even better performance on par with higher-end parts (4850).

The catch is that prices will always go down on these things, so why not wait until you can snag a 4850 or even a 4870? Well, for starters, if you're on a more budget box, odds are you have a lower end PSU. The 4670 doesn't require much in terms of juice!

Again, it's all up to the buyer, but the 4670 is a really REALLY nice card.

The price is $80 + shipping first off. Why would you crossfire these? You might as well just get a 4850 instead.

 

[bruceyg]

I will definately take HD4670 over 9600GT since I am just a light gamer. UVD2, HDMI audio and low power, all these features are more attractive to me. The msrp for 4670 is only $79.99, I bet the street price will be $50-$60AR soon.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Azn
The price is $80 + shipping first off. Why would you crossfire these? You might as well just get a 4850 instead.

Graphics & Video: For the reading impaired.

- Assuming you have a CrossFire capable board (which I would guess most with Intel CPU's do these days), this is a pretty huge value to you.
- Pay around $70 for a decent low-to-mid range card... get decent performance.
- Save up your pennies and wait for a good deal on a second 4670, and have even better performance on par with higher-end parts (4850).

Next off, I'm sure deals can be found to bring the price down some (there have been a lot of $10 rebates and whatnot floating around - $70 is a good price).

Finally, as I said which you obviously didn't read - if you're on a budget it's a great deal. It's like saying "why would you want to CrossFire a 4850 or 4870, or SLI a 9600GT or GTX260... to get better performance. There's a lot of people who buy out of impatience - they don't want to wait to save up money for a better card. This is a value upgrade path to that same performance point just by spending a little at a time.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Azn
The price is $80 + shipping first off. Why would you crossfire these? You might as well just get a 4850 instead.

Graphics & Video: For the reading impaired.

- Assuming you have a CrossFire capable board (which I would guess most with Intel CPU's do these days), this is a pretty huge value to you.
- Pay around $70 for a decent low-to-mid range card... get decent performance.
- Save up your pennies and wait for a good deal on a second 4670, and have even better performance on par with higher-end parts (4850).

Next off, I'm sure deals can be found to bring the price down some (there have been a lot of $10 rebates and whatnot floating around - $70 is a good price).

Finally, as I said which you obviously didn't read - if you're on a budget it's a great deal. It's like saying "why would you want to CrossFire a 4850 or 4870, or SLI a 9600GT or GTX260... to get better performance. There's a lot of people who buy out of impatience - they don't want to wait to save up money for a better card. This is a value upgrade path to that same performance point just by spending a little at a time.

That's just a big if he has a crossfire capable board. Dual card is just a waste of time imho. You might think other wise. A 4850 is 2.2x the card 4670 is and cost cheaper after rebate and scale perfectly. A crossfire 4670 does not. Not to mention micro stuttering issues some people seem to notice. You are getting less for your money. There's just too much BS that comes with 2 cards.

 

[Denithor]

The 9600GSO is the best deal out there today, at $45-50AR it provides about 90% of the performance of the 9800GT that costs twice as much. The 4670 and 9600GSO trade places in the benchmarks with the 4670 managing to win overall, especially once AA is enabled. Even so the 9600GSO is ~$30 cheaper than the 4670 so a much better value in my eyes.

 

[spankmster]

wow, alot of good comments, thanks guys. especially Denithor who gave me the kind of answer i as looking for. Im looking for performance on a relatively lower end PSU( about 430-450 watts) and im not looking to do much high resolution (thankyou error8 for the comment on that) so the 4670 doesnt look like so bad of a choice for me, although now im intrigued as to the performance between the asus ultimate 8800gt and the hd4850....

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Denithor
The 9600GSO is the best deal out there today, at $45-50AR it provides about 90% of the performance of the 9800GT that costs twice as much. The 4670 and 9600GSO trade places in the benchmarks with the 4670 managing to win overall, especially once AA is enabled. Even so the 9600GSO is ~$30 cheaper than the 4670 so a much better value in my eyes.

I think it's only fair to give variety of reviews and they do compare with each other but I have to agree with GSO being the better deal. I have yet to find a 4670 other than $80 + shipping in everyone's favorite online store while GSO is $50 after rebate with free shipping. That's more like $38 more for 4670 after when it's all done.


http://www.bit-tech.net/hardwa...radeon-hd-4670-512mb/1

http://www.neoseeker.com/Artic...rdware/Reviews/hd4670/

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_4670

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...70_performance_review/

http://www.hothardware.com/Art...The-Mainstream/?page=1

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/792/1/

 

[Denithor]

As a followup note, the ASUS 9800GT Ultimate is nothing but an overclocked + rebadged G92 8800GTS which makes it basically equivalent to a 9800GTX without the extra power plug requirement. So it will run a bit slower than the 4850 in most games.

All-in-all not a bad price for that card, 9800GTX performance at lower power consumption and a good price is a nice offering.

EDIT: The 9800GT Ultimate would skunk the 4670 in games.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Azn
I think it's only fair to give variety of reviews and they do compare with each other but I have to agree with GSO being the better deal. I have yet to find a 4670 other than $80 + shipping in everyone's favorite online store while GSO is $50 after rebate with free shipping. That's more like $38 more for 4670 after when it's all done.

Bear in mind that the rebate on most of the GSO is something to the tune of $25-$50, making the out of pocket expense generally $85-$100+. That's no better than the current street pricing on a 4670, and having to take a gamble on a rebate (which as long as you CYA rebates are generally okay, but that's money that you don't have for at least a few weeks).

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Azn
I think it's only fair to give variety of reviews and they do compare with each other but I have to agree with GSO being the better deal. I have yet to find a 4670 other than $80 + shipping in everyone's favorite online store while GSO is $50 after rebate with free shipping. That's more like $38 more for 4670 after when it's all done.

Bear in mind that the rebate on most of the GSO is something to the tune of $25-$50, making the out of pocket expense generally $85-$100+. That's no better than the current street pricing on a 4670, and having to take a gamble on a rebate (which as long as you CYA rebates are generally okay, but that's money that you don't have for at least a few weeks).

Anyone who used EVGA rebates will tell you it's not a gamble. It's $11 and change more out of your pocket for the GSO before rebate. After rebate you save $38 and some change.

GSO also dropped their retail price to $79 matching 4670 and 9600gt to $99. Web just hasn't reflected the price yet.

 

[Denithor]

Yeah, EVGA rebates are as good as money in the bank, arrive typically within 4-5 weeks of them receiving the paperwork (I've gotten three from 8800GS purchases in the last four months with no hassles at all).

If the MSRP on 9600GSO has dropped to $79 you may be able to get one late this month for that price and still get the $50MIR before it expires. Won't necessarily happen that way but it's possible.

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: Denithor
As a followup note, the ASUS 9800GT Ultimate is nothing but an overclocked + rebadged G92 8800GTS which makes it basically equivalent to a 9800GTX without the extra power plug requirement. So it will run a bit slower than the 4850 in most games.

All-in-all not a bad price for that card, 9800GTX performance at lower power consumption and a good price is a nice offering.

EDIT: The 9800GT Ultimate would skunk the 4670 in games.

The 9800gt ultimate also has 128sp's like a 9800gtx. (the normal 9800gt has 112sp)
Most overclock past 9800gtx+ levels also.

For 125$ after rebate it's a steal and does outperform a 4850.