Radeon 9800 non-pro

[monte84]

I have done a great deal of research trying to find the difference between the Pro/non-pro. I havent been able to find anything other than a preview of speculation as to what the non-pro' clock rates are (325 core/620 for memory). Does anyone know the final specifics of the non-pro, and what other differences there might be between the non-pro and the pro?

Thanks for any help!

 

[Corporate Thug]

the clock speed IS the only difference

 

[monte84]

So what is the official clock speed, for the one Built by ATI, because that ios the one that I have. Would the Pro have been worth an extra $100 USD(both being 128MB versions)? Thanks again, and thanks for the response

 

[anomaly]

The other difference is with the ram used. You can generally OC the NP to Pro speeds, but you can also OC the Pro to super high speeds. Another thing to think about is even the R9800 Pro isn't really ment to handle real-time Sub D, which the environment of HL2 is going to be based on. Given its power, it will ceartinally be able to handle it, but it won't be near the best for it by then. I was in the same position and decided to go with a 9500NP for the time being, and to buy a R4xx chipset card when HL2 comes out.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by anomaly
Another thing to think about is even the R9800 Pro isn't really ment to handle real-time Sub D, which the environment of HL2 is going to be based on. Given its power, it will ceartinally be able to handle it, but it won't be near the best for it by then

Interesting. Could you go into that some more, or post a link? *EDIT* Just found your explanation thread

 

[monte84]

Thanks for the replys! I already have the card, its going into my new computer, which the parts should be here sometime today! ordered from newegg.com. I think i have the specs for the new sys in my sig. i only paid $200 USD for the 9800 non-pro . I think i will enjoy this new comp, especialy compared to what i have now :\
Thanks again!!!

 

[PLaYaHaTeD]

please tell me where you got a 9800 non pro for 200 dollars US?

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

When he said upgrade to the Pro for $100 more, I thi nk he meant he got it as an option like through Dell. Many people get a nice Dell system for about $600 or so after coupons and rebates and discounts, and if your an EPP member like me you get 5 or 10% discounts.. hehe. Seriously, they just look for a good deal, and take out the video card, and sell the rest of the stuff. Usually you can go out and get some other cheap card and sell it to someone locally and they'll buy it for the same price because they don't need a high end video card.

 

[FluxCap]

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[Regs]

Oh please do tell me what your old system was? I get nostalgic. Like watching those before and after shows of the obese people.

 

[monte84]

another person covered the extra 100 (hence only costing me 200 . The old system was an Athlon 1.3GHz, 512MB PC133(at 100MHz due to FSB). GF 4 MX420 PCI(had no agp slot and a 60GB maxtor hdd.

the 129GB western digital hdd i ordered is bad i think. it makes a ticking sound that is quite noticeable, sounds like a cars turn signal. I dont know, i just have bad luck. Look at the post i made about my Radeon not working in my mobob . At east everything else is working, right?

 

[monte84]

 

[phenderson]

You still have not told us where you got you 9800 non-pro from for $200.00???

I am getting one via work. I got to choose my own work PC, and I made sure to include the 9800np for only and extra $110.00. YEAHHHHHHH baby...

The thing is that it is terribly hard to find reviews for this thing, let alone benchmarks...
I have a 9600 at home, I am going to swap it with my 9800.

 

[Regs]

You still have not told us where you got you 9800 non-pro from for $200.00???

He bought it for 300 dollars, just that someone else who would be using the PC , I guess , chipped in 100 dollars. Hence he only paid 200 dollars.

 

[Blastman]

I?d like to know what brand that 9800 is and what type of memory it came with.

 

[monte84]

Regs is almost right, but anyway, it is Built by ATI, and has 3.0ns infeneon memory.

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: monte84
Regs is almost right, but anyway, it is Built by ATI, and has 3.0ns infeneon memory.

3.0ns as in you won't be able to overclock the ram hardly at all.

 

[Regs]

Here are my bench marks with the 9800np stock speed in UT2003k . High quality @ 4x/16x AA/AF 1024 x 768. Texture details high, trueform off.

Results

Lets see a GF4 do that!

 

[monte84]

I dont guess I will be using the radeon 9800 in my new sys anyhow, as, in case you havent seen my other post on the problem, There is something wrong with the mobo and that card. The mobo has an AGP voltage warning light (doesnt support 3.3v AGP cads, even though the radeon is correct runnning 1.5v, ASUS tech guy didnt know what was causing it.

Regs: Is that bad memory? I was thinking 3.0ns was good :\

 

[Regs]

The ram has a limit of 300 Mhz. Poo.

 

[monte84]

i c

 

[JSSheridan]

3.0ns means that it will run at 333MHz, and it might make it to 345 if you're lucky. Peace.

 

[BoomAM]

Originally posted by: anomaly
The other difference is with the ram used. You can generally OC the NP to Pro speeds, but you can also OC the Pro to super high speeds. Another thing to think about is even the R9800 Pro isn't really ment to handle real-time Sub D, which the environment of HL2 is going to be based on. Given its power, it will ceartinally be able to handle it, but it won't be near the best for it by then. I was in the same position and decided to go with a 9500NP for the time being, and to buy a R4xx chipset card when HL2 comes out.

No Offence, but will you STFU about enviroment deformation in HL2. You are telling everyone that its a performance killer, even with the latest cards, when we`ve already established in another thread that its not the hard to do, and not that performance intensive.
All video cards above GF3 power have more than enough polygon pushing power to do the deformation in real-time.
The HL2 E3 demo was ran on an 9800pro, and it handled it more than well enough. You are trying to use a rendering term that while may be applicable to some types of rendering, is not applicable in any way to the rendering used in video games.

Back to topic.
The 9800np can be OCed to 9800pro levels, but also bare in mind, that in stock form, the 9800np is slower than a 9700pro.