Since Radeon has brought out the 9800 PRO, the price of the 9700 is down to around 300 bucks, and hopefully should fall further. Has anyone had experiece with this 9700 Pro? I have windows 98SE installed. Can I run this GPU with that?
Radeon 9700 question
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Schadenfroh
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you should post and search in the video forum. There is more information there.
The Radon 9700 series of cards are fantastic and yes the prices are dropping dramatically since the release of the Radeon 9800. The non pro 9700 can be found at mwave.com for $199 which is a great deal (check the thread in the Hot deals forum). The great thing about getting a R9700 is that it uses the same components as the Pro and 9800 models, just at a lower clock speed. Now the R9500 are similar too but I beleive some pixel pipelines are limited a bit and the memory bandwidth is not as good. Still, all these cards usually overclock very well to the next step higher, like R9500 to 9700 speeds, ad 9700's to 9800 speeds. Even if yo udon't overclock, the Radeon 9700 non pro or pro, is one of the best performing cards on the current market. Buying it will ensure great quality now and good longevity for future needs.
Mwave.com has the R9700 non pro for $199 and some best buy stores had/have the Radeon 9700 Pro for an amazing $250 (Well below the $300-340 average). The Radeon 9800 non pro model is $300 and runs the same or a little better then the R9700 Pro, so it's not advisable to get the R9700 Pro for $300.
Start reading posts about the R9500, 9700, and 9800. Look at benchmarks and OCing threads. You'll get a better grasp of what the differences are and the potentials.
The Radon 9700 series of cards are fantastic and yes the prices are dropping dramatically since the release of the Radeon 9800. The non pro 9700 can be found at mwave.com for $199 which is a great deal (check the thread in the Hot deals forum). The great thing about getting a R9700 is that it uses the same components as the Pro and 9800 models, just at a lower clock speed. Now the R9500 are similar too but I beleive some pixel pipelines are limited a bit and the memory bandwidth is not as good. Still, all these cards usually overclock very well to the next step higher, like R9500 to 9700 speeds, ad 9700's to 9800 speeds. Even if yo udon't overclock, the Radeon 9700 non pro or pro, is one of the best performing cards on the current market. Buying it will ensure great quality now and good longevity for future needs.
Mwave.com has the R9700 non pro for $199 and some best buy stores had/have the Radeon 9700 Pro for an amazing $250 (Well below the $300-340 average). The Radeon 9800 non pro model is $300 and runs the same or a little better then the R9700 Pro, so it's not advisable to get the R9700 Pro for $300.
Start reading posts about the R9500, 9700, and 9800. Look at benchmarks and OCing threads. You'll get a better grasp of what the differences are and the potentials.
Thanks for the replies. I haven't been able to locate the 9700 for that, but I definately will keep trying. Are you saying that I can positively run the 9700 with 98SE OS?
Schadenfroh
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thread about $199 R9700
This deal is over though cuz Mwave jacked their prices bac up to $230.
The R9700 Pro at Best Buy was a B&M deal (Brick and Mortar as in physical store, not online). I personally saw it for $249 at Best Buy and heard many others here saw it too. Some didnt see it so it all varied from BB to BB.
BTW If you are running win98 then I would probably assume your machine is a little older. Something like a P3 1ghz may not make full use of Radeon 9700's potential but thats OK. The R9700 is so good right now, that it should definitely be a good card to put into your next computer, even a year from now.
This deal is over though cuz Mwave jacked their prices bac up to $230.
The R9700 Pro at Best Buy was a B&M deal (Brick and Mortar as in physical store, not online). I personally saw it for $249 at Best Buy and heard many others here saw it too. Some didnt see it so it all varied from BB to BB.
BTW If you are running win98 then I would probably assume your machine is a little older. Something like a P3 1ghz may not make full use of Radeon 9700's potential but thats OK. The R9700 is so good right now, that it should definitely be a good card to put into your next computer, even a year from now.
AgaBoogaBoo
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Yeah, cyberdad, if you can afford the 9700 Pro you might as well just get the 9800 Non Pro because with the same p rice through retail stores, you get a little more peformance. The 9800 non Pro is the same as the 9700 Pro except with optimizatiosn making it a little faster in AA and AF
also, as an owner of a R9800 non pro, I'll tell you this thing OC's above and beyond a R9800 Pro. YMMV (your mileage may vary -as in you may not get the same results ) though. Even though I OC'd it to about 425mhz core, Iand tested it thoroughly, I dont run it at that speed. Its so damn fast at stock that there is no need right now. Maybe later when doom 3 and HL2 and others come out I may want to OC, but for now, its all you need and more for most current graphical work and games.
I am using 98n SE because I am easing into flight simulation, and I was advised that it was best for that. Here is my system:
Enlite case with 5 Panaflo fans
AMD 2100 1.7
MSI KT3 Ultra/ARU Main board
Crucial 512 DDR 184 pin (@66 MHz) Ram
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz
Radeon 64MB DDR 7200 GPU
IBM 45GB 7200 HD
I feel that this system is good enough to warrant the 9700. I regret that I kept the 98 SE OS, but making a change to XP is probably a litle more than my limited knowledge could cope with at this time.
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Enlite case with 5 Panaflo fans
AMD 2100 1.7
MSI KT3 Ultra/ARU Main board
Crucial 512 DDR 184 pin (@66 MHz) Ram
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz
Radeon 64MB DDR 7200 GPU
IBM 45GB 7200 HD
I feel that this system is good enough to warrant the 9700. I regret that I kept the 98 SE OS, but making a change to XP is probably a litle more than my limited knowledge could cope with at this time.
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Spicedaddy
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It'll work fine with 98SE, but the 2K/XP drivers are probably better. BTW, you can upgrade to XP by putting the CD in and clicking OK. 
Malladine
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Here's a link for you guys: 9700np @ GameVE. Excellent card, I bought one for my wife's rig. I'll be going for the 9800 non-pro personally: 9800np @ AllStarShop.
Oh and CyberDad, I wholeheartedly recommend windows 2000 for any rig. I'm a pretty diehard gamer and that OS couldn't be better. Unsurpassable stability, plus it runs older games just fine IME. I know i'll never go back to Win98.
XP is apparently very good too, but I have no experience with that OS.
I personally ordered mine from FuturePowerPC. It's based in NY so I didnt pay tax and it has free shipping. But it looks like I got the last one cause they've taken it off the website for some reason?
great card that will provide a great jump in speed with your setup.
http://pcwonderinc.com/noname26.html
205 plus FREE 2 day shipping
http://pcwonderinc.com/noname26.html
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in general .. the 9700 non-Pro is faster and can OC to better speeds than the 9600 PRO ?
links to such comparsions?
links to such comparsions?
would be a nice jump for you and allow you to get a much bigger jump in graphics and gaming. An R8500 on your rig would be acceptable for most new games atm. If you want to save the moeny for now you can get that and I don't think anyone could really argue with it for $65 (newegg.com). If you really want to maximize video performance then a 9700 non pro for $200 or a 9800 non pro for $280 would be top notch. You would be able to use those in your future computer as well. A R9800 non pro, I would suspect, will be acceptable for a computer even 2 years from now. That's pretty good considering the current fast pace of games, video, and video cards. If it were me, I'd either get the 8500 for $65 or the R9800 non pro for $280, all depending on the budget and my demands. I use both the R9700 and R9800 non pro models and I can tell you the difference between the 9700 and 9800 is worth the extra $80.
The R9600 otoh is ATI's new version of the 9500 class. It uses a new RV350 core. It is not a crippled higher end chipset, but rather a new chipset specifically designed for it's market. This means there is nothing for the user to "unlock" to ramp up performance. There is no genie in a bottle with this card so you won't see much aggressive overclocking. But, the R9600 cards are better at stock speeds then a R9500. It is only this overclocking potential which made the R9500 so popular and a high performer after OCing. This is also why you will still see people choosing to buy a R9500 over the R9600. The softmodding or OCing of these cards is easy to perform but not a guranteed success. You may not get what some other person gets due to quality variables in production. The cards chipsets and memory were tested to perform at stock speeds, not above, so OC potentials cannot be guranteed. Still, many to most people will get at least one step up, non pro to pro speeds, R9500 pro to R9700 non pro speeds, etc. A small percentage of people have been able to extremely ramp up performance and achieve beyond R9700 Pro clock speeds from a R9500 non pro or pro. It doesn't mean its the same graphical performance but it can be fairly close. Its also luck of the draw. There are a few things you can look for like faster RAM or red PCB's but nothing can totally gurantee high OC potentials.
A Radeon 9500 np/pro and 9700 np/pro use the same R300 core. Some even use the same PCB (Red). This is why people are able to use softmods that make a R9500 run as if it was a 9700. Don't let it decieve you though, the performance, while greatly improved, is not the same as the true R9700 due to some parts of the hardware being disabled like pixel shaders/pipelines, but its pretty damn good for an easy software hack. The R9500 series is basically a crippled R9700. So the hopes of softmodding is to basically "unlock" the R9500's potential to run like a R9700. There is alot more to this, you can read about it all over the place like here and the Rage3d forums and the web.
The R9600 otoh is ATI's new version of the 9500 class. It uses a new RV350 core. It is not a crippled higher end chipset, but rather a new chipset specifically designed for it's market. This means there is nothing for the user to "unlock" to ramp up performance. There is no genie in a bottle with this card so you won't see much aggressive overclocking. But, the R9600 cards are better at stock speeds then a R9500. It is only this overclocking potential which made the R9500 so popular and a high performer after OCing. This is also why you will still see people choosing to buy a R9500 over the R9600. The softmodding or OCing of these cards is easy to perform but not a guranteed success. You may not get what some other person gets due to quality variables in production. The cards chipsets and memory were tested to perform at stock speeds, not above, so OC potentials cannot be guranteed. Still, many to most people will get at least one step up, non pro to pro speeds, R9500 pro to R9700 non pro speeds, etc. A small percentage of people have been able to extremely ramp up performance and achieve beyond R9700 Pro clock speeds from a R9500 non pro or pro. It doesn't mean its the same graphical performance but it can be fairly close. Its also luck of the draw. There are a few things you can look for like faster RAM or red PCB's but nothing can totally gurantee high OC potentials.
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