Radeon 9700 Pro, best bang for buck

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gibhunter

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Originally posted by: cindy22
LOL!!! I rather pay $ 20 more for ati 9800 non pro than nvidia's 5900 non ultra, atleast I know that I won't have to upgrade again soon specially when directx 9 games are now here

every body knows nvidia's fx sucks and has problems with directx 9 especially when you enable aa and af with all the eye candy it's "supposed" to offer

Um, you're wrong. Allot of ATI users seem to be hung up on the 44 and 45 series drivers benchmarks. Check the benchmarks with 52.16 or the new 53.03 drivers. The FX cards perform much better in DX9 with the new drivers and are actually faster than the 9700Pro when both have 4xAA and AF enabled. Radeon 9800 is the one that has a great AA implementation, but the 9700 Pro is not nearly as good at AA as the 9800 cards are.

Then take the price under consideration. You can easily find 5900 with 2.2ns memory for $199. The cheapest 9700 Pro is in the $235 range. Sorry, but the choice is clear on that one.

Ps. 9800 for $200 at CC is a joke. Try to find one. It's impossible. Anyways, the sale is over now.
 

LesPaul

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Originally posted by: gibhunter
Originally posted by: cindy22
LOL!!! I rather pay $ 20 more for ati 9800 non pro than nvidia's 5900 non ultra, atleast I know that I won't have to upgrade again soon specially when directx 9 games are now here

every body knows nvidia's fx sucks and has problems with directx 9 especially when you enable aa and af with all the eye candy it's "supposed" to offer

Um, you're wrong. Allot of ATI users seem to be hung up on the 44 and 45 series drivers benchmarks. Check the benchmarks with 52.16 or the new 53.03 drivers. The FX cards perform much better in DX9 with the new drivers and are actually faster than the 9700Pro when both have 4xAA and AF enabled. Radeon 9800 is the one that has a great AA implementation, but the 9700 Pro is not nearly as good at AA as the 9800 cards are.

Then take the price under consideration. You can easily find 5900 with 2.2ns memory for $199. The cheapest 9700 Pro is in the $235 range. Sorry, but the choice is clear on that one.

Ps. 9800 for $200 at CC is a joke. Try to find one. It's impossible. Anyways, the sale is over now.

I'm a lucky one that snagged one of those CC 9800's :) Too bad its got a jacked up heatsink and I have to RMA it :(
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: cindy22
"I can't find a 9800np for $200, while i can find various 5900nu for under $200...

the 5900 seems to be the best value for the money right now.."

LOL!!! I rather pay $ 20 more for ati 9800 non pro than nvidia's 5900 non ultra, atleast I know that I won't have to upgrade again soon specially when directx 9 games are now here

every body knows nvidia's fx sucks and has problems with directx 9 especially when you enable aa and af with all the eye candy it's "supposed" to offer

- if your not planning to play games or play only older directx 8 games then buy nvidia 5900fx non ultra or 5950 fx ultra they can handle older games very well

- if you don't mind paying a $20 more and want the best image quality a videocard can offer ,the fastest overall card that can handle pratically any new and old games using both directx 8 or directx9 ,also can handle future games using aa and af ,high resolutions with all the eye candy that the card offers then buy ATI's 9700,9800 or 9800xt

9800 pro's price just drop over $ 100 canadian

some retailers used to sell the ati 9800 pro for $ 500 here ,now it's going for $370-$390 canadian dollar retail box while nvidia's 5900 fx ultra goes for $ 450-$ 540 retail box

so which card price/performance is really a better deal?

Heh, how do you like that... This dude/dudette still believes in the DX9 hype and Santa Claus to.

 

arbntmare

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Originally posted by: shady06
Originally posted by: arbntmare
would it be worth while to get a 9500 pro or np or whatever.. and hack it to 9700 speeds??? is that still vesiable??

most all 9500 are not gonna be soft modable at this point and all the ones allstarshop is shipping has infineon ram instead of samsung

so what do you suggest i do?? i wanna get a video card, best bunk for my buck under 130 :)
 

beatle

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Originally posted by: arbntmare
Originally posted by: shady06
Originally posted by: arbntmare
would it be worth while to get a 9500 pro or np or whatever.. and hack it to 9700 speeds??? is that still vesiable??

most all 9500 are not gonna be soft modable at this point and all the ones allstarshop is shipping has infineon ram instead of samsung

so what do you suggest i do?? i wanna get a video card, best bunk for my buck under 130 :)

9600 Pro for $133. I'm also fond of my Ti4200 that overclocks very well... they're now under $90!
 

GZFant

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it doesn't matter what card you get. Both companies make great cards right now and the DX9 margins are being closed by Nvidia

WHATEVER YOU DO THOUGH...JUST DO US ALL A FAVOR AND DO NOT LISTEN TO CINDY!
 

Abhoth

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So, Cindy needs to get laid, but we can't listen to her... Right? ;-) I dated three Cindy's more or less in a row and no way... vowed never to go there again!
I like my 9700 Pro fine just fine! And haven't seen anything out there that beats it badly enough to warrant an upgrade so..................................
 

smokedturkey

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actually, there are still plenty of 9500's out there that will softmod. And even it it does artifact, show me a game that looks crappy? Mine had some checkerboarding in that 3Dmark, but all the games I play look great? wow, buncha BS there. I think it only checkerboard on a certain type of directx texture o0r something. Chrome, Q3, UT2003, etc. all play great. Not bad for a $125 card. 380/320 speeds to boot!
 

BoomAM

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Originally posted by: McArra
I love mine :heart:
Ditto.
Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Yeah its a good card but when you can find Nvidia 5900 Non-Ultra with 2.2ns memory and overclock it to ultra speeds for $188 i think thats a better deal.
Or not.
Without wanting to start a flame war, Its been shown that even nVidias top cards cant beat a ATI Midrange(9600), in true, PS 2.0, DX9 tests. So for futureproofability, the 9700pro, is, for the forseeable future, the best price/performance card out. IF you can find somewhere that sells them.
 

thedarkwolf

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Originally posted by: BoomAM
Originally posted by: McArra
I love mine :heart:
Ditto.
Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Yeah its a good card but when you can find Nvidia 5900 Non-Ultra with 2.2ns memory and overclock it to ultra speeds for $188 i think thats a better deal.
Or not.
Without wanting to start a flame war, Its been shown that even nVidias top cards cant beat a ATI Midrange(9600), in true, PS 2.0, DX9 tests. So for futureproofability, the 9700pro, is, for the forseeable future, the best price/performance card out. IF you can find somewhere that sells them.


Which test is that? And don't list ones that use the old crappy nvidia dx9 drivers.
 

BoomAM

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That`ll be the HL2 benches. The 3dmark2003 benches.
All other DX9 benches, without the "tweaked" drivers.
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: BoomAM
Its been shown that even nVidias top cards cant beat a ATI Midrange(9600), in true, PS 2.0, DX9 tests. So for futureproofability, the 9700pro, is, for the forseeable future, the best price/performance card out. IF you can find somewhere that sells them.

In one particular PS 2.0 benchamark, not many. And it "just so happens" ATi has a multi million dollar deal with this company.
 

thedarkwolf

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Originally posted by: BoomAM
That`ll be the HL2 benches. The 3dmark2003 benches.
All other DX9 benches, without the "tweaked" drivers.

Well who gives a crap about how the 5900s do without the "FIXED" drivers since everybody is using them. Show me a dx9 test were the 9600 beats a 5900 with the new drivers. The 5900 maybe weaker at dx9 stuff but it isn't that weak.
 

Blackroot

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Yeah its a good card but when you can find Nvidia 5900 Non-Ultra with 2.2ns memory and overclock it to ultra speeds for $188 i think thats a better deal.

link to one for 188 with 2.2ns?

i got mine for 177 at buy.com, it was on newegg for 188, jsut keep your eyes open, watch out for "PV" models