Radeon 9700 no POST!!!

[Sarge1]

Just got a new Sapphire Radeon 9700 Rev 1, I think (last numbers of P/N are 01) . Installed, tried to power up but it began to start then shut down instantly. No POST, nothing. 9700 is hooked to it's own power lead. Tried it without the power lead hooked up and everything started up, with a message that the 9700 power lead was not connected. But still no POST.
Reseated card many times.
Tried different power leads.
Removed all other cards and reinstalled 9700
Reset CMOS numerous times.
I DO NOT get "no signal to monitor" on my screen, it does go to standby though.
All NVidia drivers and Reg entries removed (shouldn't affect it anyway but just threw in in there)
Suspect bad card but am going to try new PSU tomorrow.
Anyone got other ideas?
Antec 300 watt PSU
Epox 8KHA+ BIOS 8KHI2B06


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Epox 8KHA+
Athlon 1600+@1403
Alpha Pal 8045/YS Tech 48 CFM
Gainward GeForce 3
512MB Crucial PC2100

 

[Mem]

I would say either bad card or more probably your 300w Antec is maxed out with the ATi 9700 card,only way to find out is try a bigger PSU.

 

[Curley]

1. The first "no post" from my Radeon 9700 Pro was due to overclocking.
2. The second machine I received with "no post" was due to PSU.
3. The third machine was due to crappy memory, i.e., High Desnsity.

4. Try to completely bleed all electricity from the board and memory. This also worked, (I don't know why), I took out the Processor and replaced it, then with only the Radeon, Memory, Processor, Power Supply, Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse, no HDD, CDrom, Floppy, or any other cards, and I got a Post and everything went good.

5. You could also try it in another machine to make sure. Your PSU seems to be strong enough if it is a true 300 watt.

It has been my experience that the Radeon 9700 Pro is very sensitive to mediocre hardware, just as the AMD Athlon was when it first came out. I personally had a "no post" on my P4T-E, but I used the fourth situation to cure it.

This is in no way a technical sound explanation and are only my personal statements as to how I worked out some problems with the Radeon 9700 Pro. Reminds me of the Nvidia and AMD when the Athlon came out.

Hope this helps.

Curley

 

[kylebisme]

do you get any beeps or anything?

mine doesnt ever post on the first try, just no video beeps. then i hit reset and all works just fine, swaping motherboards solves the issue.

 

[Sarge1]

No beeps at all. The fans start to spin, the LED flashes, then nothing. Then push the reset button, no joy. I put my GeForce3 back in and it works fine.
Not overclocking, will try another PSU (450 W) tomorrow, RAM is pretty good (Crucial/Micron) will try pulling out 1 stick though.
Will try the card on my buddie's board, same model as mine (no known issues with the Epox 8KHA+).
If all else fails, I'll tear the whole thing apart like Curly said, heck it could use a good cleaning anyway. Sounds like these suggestions will pretty well eliminate most of the possible causes. Then RMA .
Thanks for the sugggestions guys. Will let you know if it works.

 

[Curley]

Cool, keep us posted!!!

 

[Eagle17]

I am not familier with your MB but does it have agp 8x? if so that is the problem. if not there are still some things in the bios that can cause this...

I saw at one of the sites selling the 9700 that you need to set apeture to 128 or it may not post. (I just don't belive this so dont write back and tell me I am full of crap). you might try to set your agp down ... or you could have a bad card...

any way if I find that site I will post it here.....

 

[overclocksomemore]

Last night, I tried to reply to this damn anandtech thread of yours and failed 4 freakin times due to my cursing. I cursed about... 9 times and f words in it.. i tried to manipulated in different ways so it won't get filtered but they must have advanced, cutting edge filtering system so i cursed at anandtech some more last nite.


Here you go.. I'll try not to cuss so it won't get filtered.


ATI is stupid.

ATI has many dumb morons in Designing/Engineering department. They need to get fired ASAP.

ATI is asking for trouble.

You gys now thinking.. what is wrong with this guy. Is he sick or something?.. sure I don't blame ya.


Here you go.


ATI Radeon 9700 is 106% incompatible with many motherboards out there, especially ranging from recent ones to older ones. Booting issue, no display in the monitor, no green light issue, that's rite. That's what the hell im talking about. R9700 does not work with many of Via Apollo KT266A boards. Failed on the Abit KR7A-133R. I also tried it on the regular KR7A, same thing. It is 106% incompatible with the Intel version of Abit BE6-2 either. When it comes to not being able to work with Abit KR7A, we ... have... a... major problem. It is.... simply unacceptable.

The only boards that work with R9700 are brand new boards such as Via Apollo KT333/KT400/ or equivalent chipset levels of boards. Abit KX7-333 worked. KT400 works.


ATI is asking for trouble. And that is not necessary. These idiots forgot to make support to work with recent/ older boards. They were only thinking... brand new boards and those are the only boards out in the world. They are crazy and retard. I guess they don't want to make money.



GeForce 1, GeForce 2, GeForce 3, & GeForce 4 series, all work flawlessly with all of my boards. I'm saying this because I have tried most of them out and also from someone i know with a GF1 works too.

3DFX Voodoo3 2000 works flawlessly with my boards.


Do you see the pattern here?


ATI has problems. and no need to deal with them people.

 

[overclocksomemore]

and yes... i suggest you go return that card for a refund.

I don't care what card you buy next but just don't buy ATI R9700. Even though R8500s work, you don't need to deal with that company. Stay the.... f@uk...... away....... from ATI.

 

[mcveigh]

Originally posted by: overclocksomemore
and yes... i suggest you go return that card for a refund.

I don't care what card you buy next but just don't buy ATI R9700. Even though R8500s work, you don't need to deal with that company. Stay the.... f@uk...... away....... from ATI.

well um care to tell us where you get your intelligence?

 

[overclocksomemore]

i have a dirty mouth.

but it's worth the investment on this one.. i had to do it.

 

[Curley]

What Mcveigh is trying to say is that you can't change the AGP setting if the computer will not post.

Curley

 

[overclocksomemore]

Originally posted by: Curley
What Mcveigh is trying to say is that you can't change the AGP setting if the computer will not post.

Curley

hmmm?????.... are u talkin' to me? use the quote feature to quoe someone cauze im not sure who u talkin to...

anyways, if you talking to me, what you said doesn't apply to me... cauze i already know that in ancient time. approx. 4- 5 years ago.
If you can't manage to boot the system, you cannot get in the bios and change anything. I thought this is a basic thing that everybody knows.. no?..

 

[Jayczar]

LOL!!!!!!!

 

[Bovinicus]

I have a feeling it is the PSU that is holding you back. You could possibly be right at the limit of the PSU, and that is why it won't POST with th extra lead connected to the card. Try removing peripherals that are unecessary and then booting up. Only use one stick of memory, remove all PCI cards, and maybe even unplug your CD-ROM/RW and DVD drives. Then, if it boots, shutdown, put one piece of hardware back in, and turn on. Repeat this process until you run into the same problem again. Then, you will know if it is an individual component it doesn't like, or just that your PSU is being strained.

 

[overclocksomemore]

Originally posted by: Bovinicus
I have a feeling it is the PSU that is holding you back. You could possibly be right at the limit of the PSU, and that is why it won't POST with th extra lead connected to the card. Try removing peripherals that are unecessary and then booting up. Only use one stick of memory, remove all PCI cards, and maybe even unplug your CD-ROM/RW and DVD drives. Then, if it boots, shutdown, put one piece of hardware back in, and turn on. Repeat this process until you run into the same problem again. Then, you will know if it is an individual component it doesn't like, or just that your PSU is being strained.

no sir.
it's not the PSU.
you can still put a stinky, oily, black smoke coming out of a 250watt PSU works with a Tbred XP chip running at 2.5ghz.

It's not the PSU that is holding his R9700 back. His R9700 is probably not compatible with his 8KHA+. i bet you $1 million. trust me.

I have three different PSU including reign champ, Antec PP403x 400watt with Pot adjustments, I have Antec 350watt, CompUSA 300watt, And some real stinky @$$ oily dirty eucky no name brand 250watt PSU and they all don't work with R9700.

The known issue is the R9700 not compatible with many boards. I say this cauze a while back I had a big discussion about this over here and the other websites. You donno what i've gone through in terms of experience. My post number look so dang small but don't underestimate... im a bad mutha!

 

[mcveigh]

overclocksomemore:

where do you get your data? I'm serious. you offer no proof to any of your claims. at least point to other threads with these problems.

I can claim 'm the Pope but that doesn't make it so.

 

[Sarge1]

overclocksomemore

It's not the PSU that is holding his R9700 back. His R9700 is probably not compatible with his 8KHA+. i bet you $1 million. trust me

Bovinicus, tell overclocksomemore you'd like that million dollars in small bills!!!!!!
New430 w PSU and it's up and rockin'!!!!
Thanks for the help guys!!

 

[mcveigh]

good to hear

 

[Mem]

Bovinicus, tell overclocksomemore you'd like that million dollars in small bills!!!!!!
New430 w PSU and it's up and rockin'!!!!
Thanks for the help guys!!

I was about to post a followup saying the Epox 8KHA+ works fine with the 9700,I figured it was PSU but with PCs you can never be 100% sure without trying.Anyway glad it was the PSU in the end .

 

[overclocksomemore]

well, then you got lucky!!!~~~ that's why i said "it's probably not compatible" with the 8KHA+. Apparently, it works with 8KHA then.. but let me tell ya something. I'm not a lier. I'm telling you what I and others have experienced with the R9700 cards. I had three different R9700 cards. It is true that the R9700 doesn't work with many boards out there. The incompatibility on this card is higher than any other cards I have seen up to date. Take my words for it. Why would I lie? Can't you tell I was/am upset about the card??? I'm not being biased!!! I was the one being desperate buying the R9700 and had a lot of faith in it.


Well, I don't have enough money in my bank. All I have is $1900 in my checking account.

 

[kylebisme]

i am runing an abit kr7a-raid and a 9700. just wanted to post that to cast more doubt on overclocksomemore's crediblity.

 

[overclocksomemore]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
i am runing an abit kr7a-raid and a 9700. just wanted to post that to cast more doubt on overclocksomemore's crediblity.

why do you lie?

KR7A 's don't work with R9700pro. Is your card R9700pro or R9700?

you lieing basta#d.

What BIOS version you got on the KR7A?

plz don't post incorrect info here.

 

[mcveigh]

You are being a troll. :|

 

[Sarge1]

Once I got the new PSU, this 9700 Pro was the smoothest install I've EVER done. Everything went without a hitch. It's easy as long as you clean out ALL old drivers and clean the registry. Then I uninstalled the Cat 2.4 drivers and put in the new 2.5's. What a sweet running card! My 3D Mark score went from 9850 to 11761 with no O/C!
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11813 with a little O/C on the 9700
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I'm sure the 9700 Pro is not compatible with SOME MB's, it is not possible to keep making new and better products and and make them work with everything, but I suspect more often than not it is a case of the installer not having a clue to what he is doing.