Radeon 9500 PRO Refresh Rate Issues.

joe4324

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I have "desperately" avoided ATI products ever since the Rage 128 days, When the 8500 Came out I was like "hhmm... not yet" when the 9700 Pro came out I was still skeptical but at the same time enthralled. About a week ago I landed some money on a computer deal (selling my old vid card and some ram) and being value minded liked I am it just didnt get any better then a $180 Sapphire 9500 PRO from newegg. So away we go! Joe's trying an ATI card again for the first time this milenia! (ooooh sounds cool)

Anyway, I put it in yesterday and WOW this thing is fast. The Image quality is the same as my Geforce 3 (it was a leadtek, they are EXETREMELY high quality IQ) I had a feeling it would be wich is good, because I was spoiled by the crystal clear crispness of leadteks 2d filters. I ran a 3dmark 2003 and got a score of 3600 and I was even more pleased. Hey, this is a sweet card.

The bad stuff:

What I did was uninstall the nvidia drivers. Put the card in, rebooted into safe mode. no drivers found, good. then I restart booted into windows. Ran the 3.2Cats restarted. Ran the ATI control pannel, restarted.

As soon as I got back into windows after installing the control pannel the first thing I did was go and adjust my resolution and refresh rate, I immediately set it for 1024/768@85Hertz (this is what I ran befor) As soon as It changed I was shocked to see a rather "large" Amount of "waves" pulsing inside the blue ocean otherwise known as the windows blue desktop. (it is a nice color!) After playing around for quite a while I found that 60Hertz is the only refresh rate that does NOT show the waves, But of course its 60hertz so its like suicide on the eyeballs. (it feels like a million mile wide peice of jagged glass slowly burrowing its way into my eye socket as I type this, well maybe not that bad but you get the idea)

I've played alot with the settings inside the ATI controll pannel to no avail. the ONLY thing that seemed to help was switching the power line (the external power line) from the harddrive chain to the cd-rom chain. Could the power be causing this if its attacked to other devices?

I'm using the standard monitor output not the DVI btw, I tried to use the dvi with the adapter but it didnt work for some reason so I'm lost there.


What do you think? any ideas?
 

Keysplayr

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Could you please give us your system specs... PSU, CPU, RAM and any other acronyms.... :)
And what type of monitor do you use, size, model, etc.

Keys
 

NYHoustonman

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I had this problem with my Mx420, but it went away with my ti4400. Either it's the video card or the monitor, lol, that's all I can say.
 

joe4324

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Hehe, I was hoping for a quick fix! Ok Lets see here, Exact system specs.

ASUS A7N8X Deluxe
xp1700+ Tbred B @2.1Ghz (Man I LOVE this chip)
512MB Samsung PC2700
Sapphire Radeon 9500 PRO
100GB WD SE 8MB HD
PSU 420Watt Gravity Well tech, (puts out plenty on the rails, like 18 on the 12v) All my voltages read great, at or slightly above average in bios and ASUS probe (they've been like this for a while)
(ever ything else I use the onboard)


Monitor = Viewmate 19" (paid big bucks for it a couple years ago) My monitor is getting on the old side but the picture is still great and I'm going to keep it for a while! At least I better.


Given that my old leadtek G3 ran any res without the waves Its making me want to point a BIG FAT FINGER at the radeon. Or its drivers because thats the only thing thats changed in my system. But I want it to work! I'm addicted to the sweet BF1942 action! I can actually fly a plane now through the bridge on the market garden map long ways while doing a barrel roll spray rockets and machinegun fire wildly in all directions! (it doesnt seem to be very effective but I like to think its a smaller version of our new 22,000lb bomb. a scare tatic!)
 

BenSkywalker

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Its making me want to point a BIG FAT FINGER at the radeon.

You would be correct in doing so. Shut down your rig completely, plug in the DVI adapter and hook your monitor to it then power back up. If that doesn't work to enable it RMA your board. The problem is inadequate filtering on the Radeon95/700 boards and it effects an awful lot of people. The external DVI-VGA adapter gets rid of the wavey lines, but has an easily apparent decrease in image quality(easily inferior to my Gainward GF2 in 2D quality using the DVI adapt, but it is better then dealing with the wavey lines).

It is possible to find a board that doesn't have the problem, and if you find the right power supply you can get rid of it that way too, but it is a known issue with the R300 core boards that many people have experienced.
 

joe4324

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Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Its making me want to point a BIG FAT FINGER at the radeon.

You would be correct in doing so. Shut down your rig completely, plug in the DVI adapter and hook your monitor to it then power back up. If that doesn't work to enable it RMA your board. The problem is inadequate filtering on the Radeon95/700 boards and it effects an awful lot of people. The external DVI-VGA adapter gets rid of the wavey lines, but has an easily apparent decrease in image quality(easily inferior to my Gainward GF2 in 2D quality using the DVI adapt, but it is better then dealing with the wavey lines).

It is possible to find a board that doesn't have the problem, and if you find the right power supply you can get rid of it that way too, but it is a known issue with the R300 core boards that many people have experienced.


Could you please elaborate more? is there anything that can be done? I'm kinda feeling a little bummed here. I know that sapphire isnt exactly the highest quality brand I could buy from but ATI is supposed to have very tight controll over product quality and if the R300 core has this "issue" in general then that isnt good. I'm not saying I regret my ATI decision (One bum card isnt enough for that) but first impressions are important non-the less. And so far this one is NOT good...

If the only answer is to suffer a hit to image quality then that is unnacceptable. I'll RMA it, but then what do I do? risk repeating htis again?