Discussion Radeon 6500XT and 6400

[GodisanAtheist]

Just getting a thread up for this. Navi 24 will ride... Q1 2022... ish.

AMD Readies Radeon RX 6500 XT and RX 6400 Graphics Cards

AMD is preparing to wrap up its Radeon RX 6000 series desktop discrete graphics card family with two new SKUs, the RX 6500 XT and the RX 6400. The two debut the company's smallest piece of silicon based on the RDNA2 graphics architecture, codenamed "Navi 24," to the desktop space. The RX 6500 XT...

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I fugure the 6500XT lands ~5500XT territory for ~$200.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Depends on the pricw sensitivity of the individual market.

I remember back in the day, NV and AMD would each "compete", and there was a card, either NV or AMD, for nearly every $10 price bracket, though "strangely", you would never see AMD and Nv compete at identical prices, usually.

 

[jpiniero]

Figured I'd update this because there are actual laptops with Navi 24 out there now! Yes, the "mobile first" Navi 24 did in fact actually get OEM deals. The Lenovo site calls them "New Arrivals" so it must be relatively recent.

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadz/thinkpad-z16-(16-inch-amd)/len101t0037

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-RX-6500M-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.590173.0.html

 

[igor_kavinski]

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadz/thinkpad-z16-(16-inch-amd)/len101t0037

Another missed opportunity. Should have been 6 or 8 GB.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Another missed opportunity. Should have been 6 or 8 GB.

I would love that, but there are no 12Gbit GDDR6 chips and for 8 GB you would need 2x more memory in clamshell.

 

[LightningZ71]

There IS a PCIe AIB with 8GB for the 6500XT (Clamshell) so it's not impossible for it to be done in mobile, though, I suspect that it would harm the power budget.

As for the 6500M in the market, it would seem to underperform the 3050M (higher power versions) and 3050ti. It's going to have to do a good job of being price competitive, slotting in between the 1650 and the 3050ti in the pricing schema to be a worth while purchase.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

I found this comparison on AMD's webpage. Link

1080p High Settings​

In some games the difference is brutal.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I found this comparison on AMD's webpage. Link

1080p High Settings​

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In some games the difference is brutal.

The bigger frame buffer is what it needed from the beginning, but miners would have scooped all them up. I will look around, as I surmise the extra 4GB changed the PCIE 3.0 numbers radically as well.

The 4GB had it's hot second of relevance to the market conditions. The price needs to be lower now, but it likely won't be, because the 1630, 1050ti, and 1650 are all equally as ridiculously priced.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I found this comparison on AMD's webpage. Link

1080p High Settings​

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In some games the difference is brutal.

What the crippling crap???!

 

[Insert_Nickname]

In some games the difference is brutal.

Ouch. Yeah, seeing it is just wow.

Of course 8GB would help, but that much? F1 is almost 40% and DOOM 35% faster. Again, just wow.

 

[coercitiv]

Of course 8GB would help, but that much? F1 is almost 40% and DOOM 35% faster. Again, just wow.

It's the deadly combo: not enough VRAM & not enough PCIe bandwidth. Solve either one of them and situation improves drastically.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Ouch. Yeah, seeing it is just wow.

Of course 8GB would help, but that much? F1 is almost 40% and DOOM 35% faster. Again, just wow.

Doom is 55% faster.
F1 is 66% faster.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Doom is 55% faster.
F1 is 66% faster.

Yeah, sorry. Brain fart.

 

[igor_kavinski]

It's the deadly combo: not enough VRAM & not enough PCIe bandwidth. Solve either one of them and situation improves drastically.

It's like clipping the wings of a beautiful angel. Deliberately crippled hardware always makes me feel so sad

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

It's like clipping the wings of a beautiful angel. Deliberately crippled hardware always makes me feel so sad

And the most hilarious thing is that there is only $20 difference in price between 4GB vs 8GB.
N24 could have been a pretty decent small chip, but AMD made some pretty bad decisions with It.

 

[igor_kavinski]

AMD has a moral obligation to recall all 6500 XT cards and replace them with 8GB RAM since their mining excuse no longer holds. But sadly, there is no way that is happening.

Let's hope 7500 XT has at least 6 GB RAM for the same price and 6500 XT becomes obsolete.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Let's hope 7500 XT has at least 6 GB RAM for the same price and 6500 XT becomes obsolete.

Unlikely. If 7500XT is based on N33 then It won't be just $199-219.
I am not even sure AMD will make N34. With possible desktop Phoenix this chip wouldn't make that much sense.