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People who act like thugs are the reason racism still exists. They don't understand they are turning back all the progress 'their people' have made by living the lives they currently lead.
I'm not a racist by any means, I'm a realist. I don't hate anybody because of their skin color, but I hate people because of the lives they lead. Their are some caveats to this, because there are a lot of variables, but for the most part skin color is not connected. In history, the reason black people are the way they are in the inner city is well... tough to really figure out. But it's just become a circle of logic these days, and they continue to just revolve around that circle. Whatever the original reasoning is, no longer exists. Some in the inner city strive to get out and try as hard as possible to lead successful lives, and I commend those that go that route, but the rest, the ones that thrive in violence, living off of welfare and milking the system... fuck them, fuck them all.
And before anyone comments, that is not racism. That is classism to an extent if anything.
There are plenty of white people who do the same. I look past skin color, it means nothing to me. However, I judge by appearances. The way they dress, the way they act. If they look like a thug, I judge them as one. It's up to the individual to prove me wrong. If they act civilized but dress like thugs, well that's different. I don't understand it, but it's different and I'll judge them as civilized. The thugs I try as hard as possible not to even interact with, I want nothing to do with them. I do have a few friends who I grew up joking with them as being white, but then they started dressing the thug style, and I just laugh at them. Good friends though, and very 'normal'. Good parenting imho, hard working parents who are successful.
People, including many blacks, see any negative views on them as racist and continue to act out because of it, when in reality it is only because of their actions and their lifestyles. Stop acting like ghetto thugs and society will accept you. I'll view all ghetto white people as exactly the same as ghetto black people. Color is nothing, it's the life.
The black people who act as normal members of society, they are just that, another member of society to me. Goes for all 'races'. People need to stop segregating themselves and at that point we can all live in harmony. The continued segregation is all done at their own hands, and society will never look at them the same as the rest of society. Their own damned fault, and they deserve any consequences brought on as a part of it. However, the innocent store keepers do not, and these people, after the rioting, should all be thrown in jail for awhile.
And it is likely the shooting wasn't racism either. It may have been, but most of our society has moved beyond racism for the most part, and is now all 'classism'. We look down on the negative members of society, and it just so happens that a good portion are black. Same as in LA central, where a good portion are Latino. I don't hate latinos, again, just the thugs.
Not knowing anything about the unarmed person, obviously something sparked a gun being drawn. Was it a violent acting person? Most likely. Even if they aren't armed, if they are acting violent and aren't backing down, then they are going to get hurt. Should a gun have been used? Cannot say, did the person act like he had a gun? Suspicious behavior of some sort? Without all the facts, I'll boil it down to likely being a thug-like black man who was causing trouble. Acting like a thug and being violent or acting in such a way that threatens someone is going to get you in trouble with the law. It could have been a very racist cop, sure... who knows.
Most of society doesn't give any trouble to a black man or woman who blends right in with society. Dresses acceptably, holds steady employment, like in an office or something. These individuals are also never the ones who get shot by 'racist' cops. A racist cop will give problems to anyone of such a race, but you never hear about that. Why? Because these people don't give cops problems, so the cops don't give them any trouble either. Welcome to life.
Act like a productive member of society, or act like a thug and be treated as such.
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This was to be posted in response to this thread, then discovered it was locked after I pressed submit.
This may be asking to be banned, but I'll argue that that shouldn't be the case. I was going to post it in OT as it truly belongs more in that thread imho, though after that thread I knew it would be an instant ban.
****Mods****, treat this as a serious topic of discussion please, and that is the reason I posted it in this forum. Racism and classism can be dangerous topics of discussion, but this kind of topic needs to be discussed, and my reasoning is all in the above paragraphs. This isn't about racism at all, but rather the idea of people stating racism exists when in reality people only dislike those individuals because they are leading lifestyles that are the exact opposite of that of a productive member of society. We as a society need to press this topic on more, because we can get over this hurdle in life... eventually. People just need to wake up (and welfare needs to be drastically overhauled), and realize that for society to be a good society, everyone needs to be putting in effort to be an acceptable member of society.
And before anyone replies, I'll NEVER use the word African-American. Unless that individual has direct lineage from Africa, they are no more African-American than I am European-American. Yes, that is fully reasonable too. It's the damn politically-correct morality police that push that bullshit, because 'black' is apparently such a strong word. Why? It's only describing the color of their skin. You don't hear anyone calling people that hail from South Africa as African-American, but dammit they are just as much African as that random black guy, especially if they have grandparents from that country.
But we as a society need to also move beyond the issue of skin color, period. Using it more day to day is the first step. Get used to it as a simply description. Nobody gets upset at referring to someone as blonde or brunette. It's a descriptor, something that helps in identifying someone to anyone who doesn't know the person in question. But we need to move beyond the idea of any descriptor actually defining someone. Nobody races fuss about any black individual who works a 9-5 job at an office. Why? Because they blend right in. Sure they look different on the outside, but most civilized folk fully accept this. Who cares what they look like as long as they act like, and live the life of a productive member of society. That's all we need, and all we a humans care about. Our tribal nature works for and against us every day. We want to belong, but we want to see reasons for others we do not trust to not belong. Religion, race, class, its all the same in the end - they are ways for people to group like and different, so that everyone can belong in some group, but in the end that means there will be groups that have conflict with each other, and everyone in the group immediately dislikes the entirety of the 'opposing' group. Referring to my stance in the first half of this post as 'classism' was a little wrong. I'm not classist, in that I don't hate poor or rich people, as long as they are productive. I'll hate a rich person who does jack shit just as much as a poor person who does jack shit. It's purely the act of laziness, or in the case of the thugs/ghetto, the act of violence. Anyone who acts out in violence against others for such arbitrary reasons is completely retarded and doesn't get the bigger picture.
So, hopefully this doesn't get me banned, and I suspect this'll most likely get locked either way. I mostly just needed to say this, kind of venting. Society annoys and pisses me off at times, at how backwards we all really are. So few people in society actually accept we are animals, but yet... look at us. We show more animal nature than our damn pets on most occasions
READ THE REPLIES AND MY REPLIES TO THEM. Everything you likely have to say has likely been said by them, this isn't a one-way conversation topic and the evolution of the conversation has already progressed quite a bit.
My full beliefs, most contrary to the Topic Title, are mixed in with the other replies.
I'm not a racist by any means, I'm a realist. I don't hate anybody because of their skin color, but I hate people because of the lives they lead. Their are some caveats to this, because there are a lot of variables, but for the most part skin color is not connected. In history, the reason black people are the way they are in the inner city is well... tough to really figure out. But it's just become a circle of logic these days, and they continue to just revolve around that circle. Whatever the original reasoning is, no longer exists. Some in the inner city strive to get out and try as hard as possible to lead successful lives, and I commend those that go that route, but the rest, the ones that thrive in violence, living off of welfare and milking the system... fuck them, fuck them all.
And before anyone comments, that is not racism. That is classism to an extent if anything.
There are plenty of white people who do the same. I look past skin color, it means nothing to me. However, I judge by appearances. The way they dress, the way they act. If they look like a thug, I judge them as one. It's up to the individual to prove me wrong. If they act civilized but dress like thugs, well that's different. I don't understand it, but it's different and I'll judge them as civilized. The thugs I try as hard as possible not to even interact with, I want nothing to do with them. I do have a few friends who I grew up joking with them as being white, but then they started dressing the thug style, and I just laugh at them. Good friends though, and very 'normal'. Good parenting imho, hard working parents who are successful.
People, including many blacks, see any negative views on them as racist and continue to act out because of it, when in reality it is only because of their actions and their lifestyles. Stop acting like ghetto thugs and society will accept you. I'll view all ghetto white people as exactly the same as ghetto black people. Color is nothing, it's the life.
The black people who act as normal members of society, they are just that, another member of society to me. Goes for all 'races'. People need to stop segregating themselves and at that point we can all live in harmony. The continued segregation is all done at their own hands, and society will never look at them the same as the rest of society. Their own damned fault, and they deserve any consequences brought on as a part of it. However, the innocent store keepers do not, and these people, after the rioting, should all be thrown in jail for awhile.
And it is likely the shooting wasn't racism either. It may have been, but most of our society has moved beyond racism for the most part, and is now all 'classism'. We look down on the negative members of society, and it just so happens that a good portion are black. Same as in LA central, where a good portion are Latino. I don't hate latinos, again, just the thugs.
Not knowing anything about the unarmed person, obviously something sparked a gun being drawn. Was it a violent acting person? Most likely. Even if they aren't armed, if they are acting violent and aren't backing down, then they are going to get hurt. Should a gun have been used? Cannot say, did the person act like he had a gun? Suspicious behavior of some sort? Without all the facts, I'll boil it down to likely being a thug-like black man who was causing trouble. Acting like a thug and being violent or acting in such a way that threatens someone is going to get you in trouble with the law. It could have been a very racist cop, sure... who knows.
Most of society doesn't give any trouble to a black man or woman who blends right in with society. Dresses acceptably, holds steady employment, like in an office or something. These individuals are also never the ones who get shot by 'racist' cops. A racist cop will give problems to anyone of such a race, but you never hear about that. Why? Because these people don't give cops problems, so the cops don't give them any trouble either. Welcome to life.
Act like a productive member of society, or act like a thug and be treated as such.
---------------------------------------------------------------
This was to be posted in response to this thread, then discovered it was locked after I pressed submit.
This may be asking to be banned, but I'll argue that that shouldn't be the case. I was going to post it in OT as it truly belongs more in that thread imho, though after that thread I knew it would be an instant ban.
****Mods****, treat this as a serious topic of discussion please, and that is the reason I posted it in this forum. Racism and classism can be dangerous topics of discussion, but this kind of topic needs to be discussed, and my reasoning is all in the above paragraphs. This isn't about racism at all, but rather the idea of people stating racism exists when in reality people only dislike those individuals because they are leading lifestyles that are the exact opposite of that of a productive member of society. We as a society need to press this topic on more, because we can get over this hurdle in life... eventually. People just need to wake up (and welfare needs to be drastically overhauled), and realize that for society to be a good society, everyone needs to be putting in effort to be an acceptable member of society.
And before anyone replies, I'll NEVER use the word African-American. Unless that individual has direct lineage from Africa, they are no more African-American than I am European-American. Yes, that is fully reasonable too. It's the damn politically-correct morality police that push that bullshit, because 'black' is apparently such a strong word. Why? It's only describing the color of their skin. You don't hear anyone calling people that hail from South Africa as African-American, but dammit they are just as much African as that random black guy, especially if they have grandparents from that country.
But we as a society need to also move beyond the issue of skin color, period. Using it more day to day is the first step. Get used to it as a simply description. Nobody gets upset at referring to someone as blonde or brunette. It's a descriptor, something that helps in identifying someone to anyone who doesn't know the person in question. But we need to move beyond the idea of any descriptor actually defining someone. Nobody races fuss about any black individual who works a 9-5 job at an office. Why? Because they blend right in. Sure they look different on the outside, but most civilized folk fully accept this. Who cares what they look like as long as they act like, and live the life of a productive member of society. That's all we need, and all we a humans care about. Our tribal nature works for and against us every day. We want to belong, but we want to see reasons for others we do not trust to not belong. Religion, race, class, its all the same in the end - they are ways for people to group like and different, so that everyone can belong in some group, but in the end that means there will be groups that have conflict with each other, and everyone in the group immediately dislikes the entirety of the 'opposing' group. Referring to my stance in the first half of this post as 'classism' was a little wrong. I'm not classist, in that I don't hate poor or rich people, as long as they are productive. I'll hate a rich person who does jack shit just as much as a poor person who does jack shit. It's purely the act of laziness, or in the case of the thugs/ghetto, the act of violence. Anyone who acts out in violence against others for such arbitrary reasons is completely retarded and doesn't get the bigger picture.
So, hopefully this doesn't get me banned, and I suspect this'll most likely get locked either way. I mostly just needed to say this, kind of venting. Society annoys and pisses me off at times, at how backwards we all really are. So few people in society actually accept we are animals, but yet... look at us. We show more animal nature than our damn pets on most occasions
READ THE REPLIES AND MY REPLIES TO THEM. Everything you likely have to say has likely been said by them, this isn't a one-way conversation topic and the evolution of the conversation has already progressed quite a bit.
My full beliefs, most contrary to the Topic Title, are mixed in with the other replies.
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