Rabbis Condemn Hebron Settlers funeral Chaos
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look at what religion has these people doing. Beliefs brings out the worst of the human spirit, to a point of utter savagery.
An Even More Detailed Description of this Outrage. These Hebron Settlers have always been the worst of the worst and this incident seems to have vividly shown all of Israel the cancer in thier midst. I don't think that anything will become of this just as nothing becomes of countless demontrations of how religious/political extremist Palestians behave has failed to influence the Palestinians.
I Think this qoute sums it up.
"A disgrace," said the chief Ashkenazi rabbi, Yisrael Meir Law, "another bitter cup of sorrow." The chief Sephardic rabbi, Eliyahu Bakshi-Doran, called the supporters' action "very serious," adding, "If we leave the most extreme person to decide what is a good deed, what is religious law, all sorts of injustices will be done in God's name."
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January 21, 2003
Slain Jewish Settler Is Finally Buried After Riot, Car Race and a Rabbinical Ruling
By JOHN KIFNER
ERUSALEM, Jan. 20 ? Nathaniel Ozeri, a Jewish settler slain by Palestinian gunmen on Friday night, was finally buried early this morning, 15 hours after his followers on the far edge of the religious right turned his funeral into a riot that stunned even this normally contentious country.
There were a series of struggles over where the body would be buried ? including an aborted race with the body in a car toward Jerusalem. His wife and supporters hoped to display the body in front of the prime minister's office there as a protest over the killing of settlers by Palestinians.
Mr. Ozeri was finally laid to rest in darkness about 3 a.m. today in Hebron's old city cemetery alongside victims of a 1929 massacre of Jews in that city.
The funeral, at noon on Sunday, was preceded by attacks on Palestinian homes by settlers. The attackers broke windows with iron bars, and at one point a young mother with a baby strapped to her chest pounded a Palestinian house with a big rock. There were wild scuffles as the army and the police tried to intervene, and the crowd taunted the police, shouting insults.
The eulogies at the funeral were bitter, condemning Yitzhak Rabin, the prime minister who was slain in 1995 by a religious extremist who was opposed to his efforts to make peace with Palestinians.
Mr. Ozeri's father-in-law, Shaul Nir, demanded revenge and called the police "scum." He is a former member of the Jewish underground who was sentenced to life in prison in 1985 for killing Palestinians in Hebron. He was later pardoned along with other members of the group by President Chaim Herzog.
Then Mr. Ozeri's elderly father took the microphone and asked that his son be buried in Jerusalem so his mother could easily visit the grave.
Wrangling ensued. A rabbi, Dov Lior, was brought in to mediate and ruled that the burial should be in Hebron. But then, urged on by Mr. Ozeri's widow, Livnat, young settlers snatched the body from the bed of a pickup truck intending to take it to the hilltop grave they had secretly dug. Some family members were knocked over in the struggle, and the rabbi was carried to safety on the back of a bodyguard.
Soldiers finally managed to block the group, and for a moment it appeared that an agreement had been reached to bury Mr. Ozeri in Hebron. But the car carrying the body suddenly veered off, speeding away.
When Israeli soldiers and the police tried to restore order, the settlers left behind continued to battle them and to attack Palestinian homes and set cars on fire.
After they snatched his body, Mr. Ozeri's followers raced over hills, fences and vineyards trying to bury it on the isolated hilltop where he had been killed. They struck out for Jerusalem after they were turned away from the site by soldiers.
Mrs. Ozeri said later that she had wanted to put the body on display "so the whole country can see the results of the terror and what happened when the Jews gave rifles to the terrorists."
As Mr. Ozeri's followers in Hebron hoisted his body, on a stretcher wrapped in a blue and white prayer shawl, they pulled back the covering so his face was visible, in the style of Palestinian funerals for what they call their martyrs. It was a clear violation of Jewish religious law and tradition, and the spectacle drew criticism today from leading rabbis.
"A disgrace," said the chief Ashkenazi rabbi, Yisrael Meir Law, "another bitter cup of sorrow." The chief Sephardic rabbi, Eliyahu Bakshi-Doran, called the supporters' action "very serious," adding, "If we leave the most extreme person to decide what is a good deed, what is religious law, all sorts of injustices will be done in God's name."
Hebron, home to a group of militant settlers who believe that they have a mandate from God to reclaim the land they call Judea and Samaria, is always a volatile place. In the old city, an enclave of 450 religious Jews is guarded by soldiers and surrounded by 150,000 Palestinians, confined to their homes much of the time by army curfews. Nearby, 7,000 more Jewish settlers live in the sprawling settlement of Qiryat Arba.
Tensions were running high even before Mr. Ozeri was killed by two Palestinian gunmen on Friday night, after he answered the door during his family's Sabbath dinner. There have been four Palestinian attacks in Hebron and nearby areas in the last two months in which 22 Israelis have been killed. On Friday, the two attackers, armed with an M-16 rifle, a revolver, grenades, a knife and an ax, were also killed.
Mr. Ozeri was a well-known figure on the far right, a leader of the "hilltop youth," who have been trying to expand the settlers' presence by building outposts on isolated hills. His family of seven was the only one living on the illegal settlement known as Lot 26. He had returned home two weeks ago after serving a jail sentence for attacking a policemen during a similar disturbance at a Hebron funeral for another slain settler in July.
Mr. Ozeri's followers did not get their wish. After they headed for Jerusalem, they went only as far as Bethlehem. There they got the news of a rabbinical ruling that caused them to turn back and to return the body to Hebron.
"They planned to put the body on display in a political demonstration," said Naom Amon, a spokesman for the Hebron settlers, "but turned around when the rabbis ruled that you cannot bring a dead person into the Holy City without burying him or her there."
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I Think this qoute sums it up.
"A disgrace," said the chief Ashkenazi rabbi, Yisrael Meir Law, "another bitter cup of sorrow." The chief Sephardic rabbi, Eliyahu Bakshi-Doran, called the supporters' action "very serious," adding, "If we leave the most extreme person to decide what is a good deed, what is religious law, all sorts of injustices will be done in God's name."
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January 21, 2003
Slain Jewish Settler Is Finally Buried After Riot, Car Race and a Rabbinical Ruling
By JOHN KIFNER
ERUSALEM, Jan. 20 ? Nathaniel Ozeri, a Jewish settler slain by Palestinian gunmen on Friday night, was finally buried early this morning, 15 hours after his followers on the far edge of the religious right turned his funeral into a riot that stunned even this normally contentious country.
There were a series of struggles over where the body would be buried ? including an aborted race with the body in a car toward Jerusalem. His wife and supporters hoped to display the body in front of the prime minister's office there as a protest over the killing of settlers by Palestinians.
Mr. Ozeri was finally laid to rest in darkness about 3 a.m. today in Hebron's old city cemetery alongside victims of a 1929 massacre of Jews in that city.
The funeral, at noon on Sunday, was preceded by attacks on Palestinian homes by settlers. The attackers broke windows with iron bars, and at one point a young mother with a baby strapped to her chest pounded a Palestinian house with a big rock. There were wild scuffles as the army and the police tried to intervene, and the crowd taunted the police, shouting insults.
The eulogies at the funeral were bitter, condemning Yitzhak Rabin, the prime minister who was slain in 1995 by a religious extremist who was opposed to his efforts to make peace with Palestinians.
Mr. Ozeri's father-in-law, Shaul Nir, demanded revenge and called the police "scum." He is a former member of the Jewish underground who was sentenced to life in prison in 1985 for killing Palestinians in Hebron. He was later pardoned along with other members of the group by President Chaim Herzog.
Then Mr. Ozeri's elderly father took the microphone and asked that his son be buried in Jerusalem so his mother could easily visit the grave.
Wrangling ensued. A rabbi, Dov Lior, was brought in to mediate and ruled that the burial should be in Hebron. But then, urged on by Mr. Ozeri's widow, Livnat, young settlers snatched the body from the bed of a pickup truck intending to take it to the hilltop grave they had secretly dug. Some family members were knocked over in the struggle, and the rabbi was carried to safety on the back of a bodyguard.
Soldiers finally managed to block the group, and for a moment it appeared that an agreement had been reached to bury Mr. Ozeri in Hebron. But the car carrying the body suddenly veered off, speeding away.
When Israeli soldiers and the police tried to restore order, the settlers left behind continued to battle them and to attack Palestinian homes and set cars on fire.
After they snatched his body, Mr. Ozeri's followers raced over hills, fences and vineyards trying to bury it on the isolated hilltop where he had been killed. They struck out for Jerusalem after they were turned away from the site by soldiers.
Mrs. Ozeri said later that she had wanted to put the body on display "so the whole country can see the results of the terror and what happened when the Jews gave rifles to the terrorists."
As Mr. Ozeri's followers in Hebron hoisted his body, on a stretcher wrapped in a blue and white prayer shawl, they pulled back the covering so his face was visible, in the style of Palestinian funerals for what they call their martyrs. It was a clear violation of Jewish religious law and tradition, and the spectacle drew criticism today from leading rabbis.
"A disgrace," said the chief Ashkenazi rabbi, Yisrael Meir Law, "another bitter cup of sorrow." The chief Sephardic rabbi, Eliyahu Bakshi-Doran, called the supporters' action "very serious," adding, "If we leave the most extreme person to decide what is a good deed, what is religious law, all sorts of injustices will be done in God's name."
Hebron, home to a group of militant settlers who believe that they have a mandate from God to reclaim the land they call Judea and Samaria, is always a volatile place. In the old city, an enclave of 450 religious Jews is guarded by soldiers and surrounded by 150,000 Palestinians, confined to their homes much of the time by army curfews. Nearby, 7,000 more Jewish settlers live in the sprawling settlement of Qiryat Arba.
Tensions were running high even before Mr. Ozeri was killed by two Palestinian gunmen on Friday night, after he answered the door during his family's Sabbath dinner. There have been four Palestinian attacks in Hebron and nearby areas in the last two months in which 22 Israelis have been killed. On Friday, the two attackers, armed with an M-16 rifle, a revolver, grenades, a knife and an ax, were also killed.
Mr. Ozeri was a well-known figure on the far right, a leader of the "hilltop youth," who have been trying to expand the settlers' presence by building outposts on isolated hills. His family of seven was the only one living on the illegal settlement known as Lot 26. He had returned home two weeks ago after serving a jail sentence for attacking a policemen during a similar disturbance at a Hebron funeral for another slain settler in July.
Mr. Ozeri's followers did not get their wish. After they headed for Jerusalem, they went only as far as Bethlehem. There they got the news of a rabbinical ruling that caused them to turn back and to return the body to Hebron.
"They planned to put the body on display in a political demonstration," said Naom Amon, a spokesman for the Hebron settlers, "but turned around when the rabbis ruled that you cannot bring a dead person into the Holy City without burying him or her there."
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I guess the dead settler deserved it. Hell, he probably would have wanted it that way. I'm sure the dead racist bastard would've done the same thing if his wife had been killed. This reminds me of another sick settler episode in which the settler mother of a dead child delayed the funeral and wanted to parade the corpse in front of the prime minister's mansion as a sign of protest. This is just sick.
A little hostile aren't you?? He would have probably wanted it this way, but to say he deserved it goes to far. Thier is now a wife without a husband and children without a father. Try to remember that, even if the man was a religious extremist and a thug.
A religious extremist and a thug is all I need to know. He put his wife and kids in that environment, not me. He's a bastard in my book. If it wasn't for assholes like that, Israel would be in a much better position to battle terrorists.
That's the same argument that the terrorists use to justify killing settlers. They chose to be here, they put thier lives and the lives of thier families in jeapordy so they deserve what they get. Where does it stop? The goal is to try to understand them and put a stop to thier activitities not to hate them
The terrorists and the settlers are two sides of the same coin. They are not polar opposites, but fanatical blood brothers who care about no one other than themselves. These blood brothers never represented the general populace, but took advantage of their cautious approach towards understanding the other side by using violence as the gas to rile up the human spirit.
Anubis
No Lifer
Not all the settlers are religious fanatics. A large porportion of them are there for the decent housing, tax breaks, and communities.
Then they should know the danger they are putting themselves in. If we americans went to mexico and decided to call it our own, with the help of the US Government, and we started getting slaughtered by the natives there, we would have no one to blame but ourselves and our government. Justint, there's no way you can convince me that these people don't deserve the punishment they're getting. They deserve it. Just like the british in Africa, they deserve it. Just like the Japanese in Vietnam and China, they deserve it. Just like any other settler on any other part of the globe, they deserve it.
I remember going out with this japanese chick last year who complained of american imperialism. She whined that we were infringing on the rights of others around the globe. I told her that we were invited. When I brought up the issue of japanese imperialism, she said that the japanese were there to help out their asian brothers and stop the western imperialists from over-running that part of the world. Pure BS, that's always the excuse.
So what? Do you honestly think Israeli soldiers would fire on Jews no matter what they did?? Be realistic. That doesn't make any sense. They could go around slaughtering every Palestinian they found and the IDF, and Border Police would not use lethal force on them.
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