R9 270x better than Consoles in hard to run games?

[ZeeTech]

Ive researched that the graphics card of the Ps4 (which is slightly better than Xbox1)
is equivalent to a Amd radeon 7850. And I have a R9 270x which is a rebranded
7870. So my question is: if my graphics card is a little better than the consoles',
then games like Assassins creed unity, far cry 4, watch dogs and shadow of mordor
will run better on my pc with similar low settings with the console, RIGHT?

 

[sm625]

for now, probably. It wont be a big issue today. But in 3 years that little console 7850 is going to be putting out better framerates than a R9 285 in a PC.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

The deepest fps drops are usually because the cpu can't keep up. What cpu do you have?

 

[Blitzvogel]

for now, probably. It wont be a big issue today. But in 3 years that little console 7850 is going to be putting out better framerates than a R9 285 in a PC.

I wouldn't be so quick to expect that simply because we are talking graphics processors with similar architectures. It won't be like Xenos versus late pre-unified shader GPUs like the 7800GTX and X1800XL where Xenos' number of architectural enhancements gave it an edge for the long run. As far as graphics go, the PS4's GPU should not be more capable than any comparable GCN GPU in the graphics department for these first couple years. Performance should be the same, UNLESS it comes down to available memory. Eventually console optimizations will catch up, but not as quick as last gen.

The only other concern is GPGPU if it ever really catches on in the PC space. The PS4s APU has 8 ACEs, while Pitcairn only has 2.

R9 270X versus PS4 GPU:

2560 GFLOPS vs 1843 GFLOPS = 42% advantage
80 GTexels vs 57.6 GTexels = 38% advantage
32 GPixels vs 25.6 GPixels = 25% advantage

I have an R9 270 (factory OCed to 975 MHz), and it's performed great so far, but I already sorta regret it only has 2 GB of VRAM. For example, Shadows of Mordor recommends 3 GB VRAM for high textures, though it runs fine on 2 GB. But the extra VRAM space will be a necessity sooner or later. Aside from the VRAM issue, my R9 270 still runs the game just as good as the PS4 version if not better when all the other graphical enhancements are taken into account. It's also a damn fine port (though we can't say the same for AC Unity).

 

[zlatan]

Ive researched that the graphics card of the Ps4 (which is slightly better than Xbox1)
is equivalent to a Amd radeon 7850. And I have a R9 270x which is a rebranded
7870. So my question is: if my graphics card is a little better than the consoles',
then games like Assassins creed unity, far cry 4, watch dogs and shadow of mordor
will run better on my pc with similar low settings with the console, RIGHT?

The short answer is no. The longer one is depends on game. For example the Far Cry 4 runs much better on PS4 than on a PC with nearly the same "horsepower". PS4 even have a much better AA solution compared what's possible in the PC port. On the other hand Sniper Elite 3 should run better on that card with Mantle.

 

[Red Hawk]

for now, probably. It wont be a big issue today. But in 3 years that little console 7850 is going to be putting out better framerates than a R9 285 in a PC.

Well, I'd say that depends on how Mantle, DirectX 11.3, and DirectX 12 all pan out.

The short answer is no. The longer one is depends on game. For example the Far Cry 4 runs much better on PS4 than on a PC with nearly the same "horsepower". PS4 even have a much better AA solution compared what's possible in the PC port. On the other hand Sniper Elite 3 should run better on that card with Mantle.

I wouldn't say the PS4 has nearly the same power as a 270X,though. It has a slightly lower amount of functional units, but as Moebius showed, the clock speed difference gives the 270X a 42% theoretical advantage over the PS4.

 

[Blitzvogel]

Well, I'd say that depends on how Mantle, DirectX 11.3, and DirectX 12 all pan out.

I wouldn't say the PS4 has nearly the same power as a 270X,though. It has a slightly lower amount of functional units, but as Moebius showed, the clock speed difference gives the 270X a 42% theoretical advantage over the PS4.

I think the IQ gap will close, but we can still infer performance thanks to similar architectures all around. It's not like in 2005 where we had fixed pipelined PC GPUs versus a new hardware paradigm in the form of the Xenos and then the next year where we had a Nvidia 7800 derivative that would end up having to rely on it's CPU to make up for it's deficiencies versus the Xenos and upcoming PC unified shader GPUs.

The 42% higher throughput in GFLOPS is a pretty big advantage. The optimizations I speak of will allow for better overall IQ but at the cost of some other forms of eye candy. Developers are good at using custom LODs in console games. However, I predict this generation will be "as bad" as the last when it comes to platform parity. Any PC enhancements will be even harder to notice outside of the obvious resolution, AA, and AF options.

I am however, somewhat thankful for ports if the titles themselves are good games and ported without issues. I don't care too much about enhancements unless they mean something, like the increased traffic and LODs in GTA5. Often I'm just glad to have the game available to me.

For example I was playing the first Rainbow Six: Vegas game this morning. It's a pure port of the 360 version, and did have some issues when first put on PC, but for the most part, it has been patched and is as enjoyable on PC as it is on 360 if you don't count the lack of online character persistence. I don't care that it's visually the same game either. It has resolution options, can run 60 FPS, and is fully mouse and keyboard compliant. I'm happy.

 

[lyssword]

the "eye candy" ps4 games usually run at 30fps capped.

 

[dguy6789]

I wouldn't be so quick to expect that simply because we are talking graphics processors with similar architectures.

Different architecture is not why consoles perform better than PC, it is the lack of significant overhead from the OS. Running games in Windows will always massively cripple what kind of real world performance you will get out of hardware. Things like Mantle are a nice start but they still do not come close to being console-like.

I have little doubt in 4 or 5 years the consoles will be running great looking games that a Geforce 780 Ti will struggle with.

 

[Blitzvogel]

Different architecture is not why consoles perform better than PC, it is the lack of significant overhead from the OS. Running games in Windows will always massively cripple what kind of real world performance you will get out of hardware. Things like Mantle are a nice start but they still do not come close to being console-like.

I have little doubt in 4 or 5 years the consoles will be running great looking games that a Geforce 780 Ti will struggle with.

From what I've seen over the years is OS overhead effects CPU performance more than the GPU. As long as you have the excess CPU grunt and plenty of RAM for the OS to store it's background processes, you're good assuming your GPU is competent.

We can make direct graphics comparisons here simply because we are dealing with GCN that is common on both consoles and PCs. The same performance optimizations that PS4 devs are finding they can fit into idle GPU time I assume can be done on the PC too provided the engine supports it. However, I do not see that method being common with multiplatform titles. Moreover, it's more likely a PC version of a multiplatform game will just rely on the massive CPU advantage an Intel i5/i7 or even AMD FX-8 has over the console x86 cores.

 

[ZeeTech]

The deepest fps drops are usually because the cpu can't keep up. What cpu do you have?

I have a i3 3210 and ill be upgrading to i5 4570

 

[P39Airacobra]

The short answer is no. The longer one is depends on game. For example the Far Cry 4 runs much better on PS4 than on a PC with nearly the same "horsepower". PS4 even have a much better AA solution compared what's possible in the PC port. On the other hand Sniper Elite 3 should run better on that card with Mantle.

This is completely false and based on absolutely nothing but your opinion, I have a 270 nonX and have run both games on high settings at 1080p just fine, I can guarantee high settings on the PC at 1080p looks much better than the PS4 or Xbox one. Some of you are falling for the BS system requirements for the game so much, that you are actually starting to belive the PS4 and Xbox one are strong, When a GTX 750 and a R7 260 nonX can run games much better.

 

[ShintaiDK]

for now, probably. It wont be a big issue today. But in 3 years that little console 7850 is going to be putting out better framerates than a R9 285 in a PC.

Not at the same IQ, settings etc.