R680 Is Dual R670 On The Same Card

[Pez D Spencer]

Interesting bit of info on the Fudzilla site about the R680's coming in 08. Accoriding to them the R680 will be a dual R670 on the same card. As usual, Fudzilla doesn't mention sources for this info so take it with a grain of salt I suppose.

However, if this info does turn out to be true, the R680's might be the comeback ATi needs (and give me a reason to finally upgrade).

If this has already been posted/mentioned then forget I said anything.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index....=view&id=4023&Itemid=1

 

[Ika]

So it's going to be a single-card Crossfire solution? That doesn't sound like much of a solution at all to me.

 

[aka1nas]

If R670 still turns out to be slower than the 8800GT it's somewhat of a moot point as the 8800 GX2 will likely be out at that point.

 

[SickBeast]

Remember the Rage Fury Maxx? If this rumour is true, it really signifies that AMD cannot compete at the high end.

Hopefully AMD has learned how to program proper drivers by now.

IMO dual-core is more interesting, even if they just glue 'em together like intel does with their quads.

 

[ayabe]

How the flip would they keep that cool?

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: ayabe
How the flip would they keep that cool?

The RV670 will have very low power consumption and heat; it's 55nm... that's a big jump from 80nm with R600.

This could be interesting, but it's still a stop-gap solution. What AMD needs is to really fix the R600 architecture. The underlying architecture is good, but several things such as AA really need to be fixed. I hope some of these things are fixed in RV670, but I have a feeling it will end up being little more than a die-shrink.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Remember the Rage Fury Maxx? If this rumour is true, it really signifies that AMD cannot compete at the high end.

Hopefully AMD has learned how to program proper drivers by now.

IMO dual-core is more interesting, even if they just glue 'em together like intel does with their quads.

Coming from you, you should know that all modern GPU's are multi core...

 

[Cookie Monster]

He meant dual "GPU" in a MCM configuration like Kentsfield. PCB wiring will be a hellish job not to mention the heat produced by such chips even at 55nm. I also dont see how they are going to connect everything up. Doesn't make much sense unless its a GX2 type card where you have two GPUs, two PCBs connected through an SLI/Xfire brige.

note - G71 at 90nm had 278million transistors + a die size of under 200mm^2. the 7950GX2 was still a power hungry/hot card.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Remember the Rage Fury Maxx? If this rumour is true, it really signifies that AMD cannot compete at the high end.

Hopefully AMD has learned how to program proper drivers by now.

IMO dual-core is more interesting, even if they just glue 'em together like intel does with their quads.

Wasn't there a more recent version that satisfied most of crowd here? 7950 or some such.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Remember the Rage Fury Maxx? If this rumour is true, it really signifies that AMD cannot compete at the high end.

Hopefully AMD has learned how to program proper drivers by now.

IMO dual-core is more interesting, even if they just glue 'em together like intel does with their quads.

Wasn't there a more recent version that satisfied most of crowd here? 7950 or some such.

Maybe. I just remember 3DFX started to go with the multiple GPUs, then went bankrupt shortly thereafter (and came up with some massive and un-practical cards).

AFAIK there has never been a blockbuster card that used multi GPUs...by that I mean something on the level of the 9700Pro or the GeForce 2.

 

[ronnn]

No blockbusters, but is about winning enough benchies and halo effect. The money is in all those kids (and their parents) that buy one mid range card with a matching motherboard. The nice guy at future shop tells them buy a second gpu when they need it. Next year they find to their disappointment that the planned upgrade is likely out of production. But that same nice guy has another gimmick to push.

 

[taltamir]

ronnn is on the money... its just like how intel was pushing P4s at the day that were outperformed by a P3 of the same speed... the first 2Ghz P4 performed the same as a 1.7Ghz p3... the whole point was to get the numbers and appearance up and sell it to some sucker... Ofcourse they cleaned up well with their core series...

Same thing is with video cards, multi GPU is stupid and impractical. it barely works, it is a driver nightmare, it requires obscene amounts of power and generates obscene amounts of heat... not to mention costing an arm and a leg... On the surface the 8800GT looks like the first card actually worth running in multi gpu... except that the drivers don't work yet (which is part of the reason against to begin with)... and when they DO work you will be better off buying a G92 based GTS instead.

And AMD is hinting at QUAD crossfire to make their cards stack up... with their new cards slightly under their current max in performance, and costing about 150$ a peice, running in quad crossfire... sounds retarded to me... they continue that way and they will go bankrupt!

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: taltamir
ronnn is on the money... its just like how intel was pushing P4s at the day that were outperformed by a P3 of the same speed... the first 2Ghz P4 performed the same as a 1.7Ghz p3... the whole point was to get the numbers and appearance up and sell it to some sucker... Ofcourse they cleaned up well with their core series...

Same thing is with video cards, multi GPU is stupid and impractical. it barely works, it is a driver nightmare, it requires obscene amounts of power and generates obscene amounts of heat... not to mention costing an arm and a leg... On the surface the 8800GT looks like the first card actually worth running in multi gpu... except that the drivers don't work yet (which is part of the reason against to begin with)... and when they DO work you will be better off buying a G92 based GTS instead.

And AMD is hinting at QUAD crossfire to make their cards stack up... with their new cards slightly under their current max in performance, and costing about 150$ a peice, running in quad crossfire... sounds retarded to me... they continue that way and they will go bankrupt!

1.7GHz P!!! never existed. Maybe you're thinking about a 1GHz P!!! matching a 1.4Ghz P4. 🙂

I dunno what to think about AMD these days. I hope the Fusion project is going well for them though, that might be their last chance.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Remember the Rage Fury Maxx? If this rumour is true, it really signifies that AMD cannot compete at the high end.

Hopefully AMD has learned how to program proper drivers by now.

IMO dual-core is more interesting, even if they just glue 'em together like intel does with their quads.

remember the 7950gx2? it was supposedly as fast as an x1950xtx but it was a "single card sli" solution. nvidia has turned the tables lately, maybe ati could make a similar card now at 55nm as a stopgap until they release r700.

 

[Cookie Monster]

It was quite abit faster than the X1950XTX actually. 😉

It was technically a single card solution because you didn't require 2 PCIex16 slots nor SLI.

 

[rstrohkirch]

Originally posted by: allies
1.7GHz P!!! never existed. Maybe you're thinking about a 1GHz P!!! matching a 1.4Ghz P4. 🙂

I dunno what to think about AMD these days. I hope the Fusion project is going well for them though, that might be their last chance.

Overclocked Tualatin @1.7ghz isn't that hard to come by

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: rstrohkirch

Originally posted by: allies
1.7GHz P!!! never existed. Maybe you're thinking about a 1GHz P!!! matching a 1.4Ghz P4. 🙂

I dunno what to think about AMD these days. I hope the Fusion project is going well for them though, that might be their last chance.

Overclocked Tualatin @1.7ghz isn't that hard to come by

Some of the comments coming out of our members lately are really quite surprising. Just blurt stuff out without research or proof thereof. Wasn't the fastest PIII released a 1.4 GHz Tualatin?
It can easily be said that the P4 could be o/c'd as well. But clock for clock, the PIII was faster than the P4.

 

[Munky]

The rumors that the r680 is a dual rv670 have been flying around for months, and I'm skeptical of those, not to mention I'd be reluctant to buy such a card unless they can guarantee that crossfire works in every game.