R600 PCB & Cooling Re-design in Progress

[Wreckage]

So they saw the G80, sh** themselves and now it's back to the drawing board.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
So they saw the G80, sh** themselves and now it's back to the drawing board.

That is certainly your favorite dream, and I wish you good luck!

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Wreckage
So they saw the G80, sh** themselves and now it's back to the drawing board.

That is certainly your favorite dream, and I wish you good luck!

While it's not probable, it's certainly possible.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Wreckage
So they saw the G80, sh** themselves and now it's back to the drawing board.

That is certainly your favorite dream, and I wish you good luck!

While it's not probable, it's certainly possible.

No, it's not. The R600 (like the G80) has been under development for YEARS. It is WAY too late in the game for either company to make any major changes to their architecture. The only things they CAN do are minor (PCB, cooling, die shrink, memory speed/type, etc).

 

[dug777]

I heard a rumour that r600 is at least 20% faster than the 8800GTX in dx9 benchmarks, and due to optimisation issues for nvidia, up to 50% faster in DX10 apps, while offering better IQ :Q

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: dug777
I heard a rumour that r600 is at least 20% faster than the 8800GTX in dx9 benchmarks, and due to optimisation issues for nvidia, up to 50% faster in DX10 apps, while offering better IQ :Q

While thats not probable, it is certainly possible. :beer:

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Wreckage
So they saw the G80, sh** themselves and now it's back to the drawing board.

That is certainly your favorite dream, and I wish you good luck!

While it's not probable, it's certainly possible.

No, it's not. The R600 (like the G80) has been under development for YEARS. It is WAY too late in the game for either company to make any major changes to their architecture. The only things they CAN do are minor (PCB, cooling, die shrink, memory speed/type, etc).

Uh, yeah. Isn't that what we are talking about? Smaller PCB, better cooling, die shrink to use less power, etc. etc. Wreckage has a way with words granted, but dude, who cares if ATI shat themselves or not? I don't. Do you?

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Uh, yeah. Isn't that what we are talking about? Smaller PCB, better cooling, die shrink to use less power, etc. etc. Wreckage has a way with words granted, but dude, who cares if ATI shat themselves or not? I don't. Do you?

It would be a national disaster, Canadians don't shat themselves.

edit: We have learned how to lose with dignity. We blame the ref.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Wreckage
So they saw the G80, sh** themselves and now it's back to the drawing board.

That is certainly your favorite dream, and I wish you good luck!

While it's not probable, it's certainly possible.

No, it's not. The R600 (like the G80) has been under development for YEARS. It is WAY too late in the game for either company to make any major changes to their architecture. The only things they CAN do are minor (PCB, cooling, die shrink, memory speed/type, etc).

At the very least it's unfortunate timing for that kind of info to come out. I expect they're making slides at nV saying that ATi is sh1t scared of G80.

The timing of the "leak" lends itself to conspiracy theorists & to PR gurus and if nV marketing is as good as it's claimed they'll use this kind of info to their advantage.

 

[redbox]

I don't see it as a bad thing. It's good that ATI are looking to make a shorter card. And I could care less if either company shits as long as they don't package it and try to pass it off as a video card.

 

[jim1976]

They better make a faster card when they are releasing it 2-3 months later..
If eventually R600 proves to be that much better than my (soon to have) 8800GTX then I'll swap it.. If it will be only like 10-15% meh.. I think I'll stay with my o/ced 8800GTX and wait for refreshes from both companies..

 

[Matt2]

This is just a smoke screen to convince people to wait for R600. ATI knows all to well that a lot of people are insanely picky about cooling noise, card length, power consumption. They're telling people what they want to hear in order to curb some of Nvidia's holiday sales.

Also, since the PCB is getting shorter and the power requirements are going down, I wonder if they dumped the 512bit memory bus and are going to use a 384bit similar to G80.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Uh, yeah. Isn't that what we are talking about? Smaller PCB, better cooling, die shrink to use less power, etc. etc. Wreckage has a way with words granted, but dude, who cares if ATI shat themselves or not? I don't. Do you?

I have no idea who did or did not shat themselves. And I don't care to know, either. I'm not into that sort of thing.

All I provided was my opinion that ATI is making relatively minor changes to the R600 card. Wreckage's statement sounded like he actually thought ATI was scrapping the entire R600 GPU and was starting over from scratch. Which is incorrect.

 

[vasdrakken]

the current pci-e standard calls for 2 rows of three, which is why the sevnteam powersupply had to 2x4 pci-e connectors on them. I may have misspelled the company but it's one of the big psu makers, the silverstone Olympia is a repackaged version and still has the two pci-e 2x4 connectors though they may get swapped to two 2x3 connectors by the time you can actually buy one. Most of the pci-e specs are available from Intel and the pci special interest group often mistaken called pci sgi instead of pci-sig, due to confusion with the sgi that is still reorganizing under different chapters of bankruptcy.

I typed this rather fast but the short of it is I boubt ATi will go against the spec change as they are part of the group that changed the connector from 2x4 to 2x3, since the reason for the change was confusion with the 2x4 board connector since no additional stability results from the 2x4 vs the 2x3, as their is nothing in the spec that forces psu mkg to use all pins at both ends.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Last I looked Ati has better prices, IQ and fps at every level except the 7950 took the single card title for fps.

they still dont have a 7600gt competitor

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: ronnn

Last I looked Ati has better prices, IQ and fps at every level except the 7950 took the single card title for fps.

they still dont have a 7600gt competitor

The X1650XT.

 

[Gstanfor]

Well, here is deliciously tasty little tid-bit for you all to chew on.

It would appear that ATi is using Arithmatica to design their new chips. This is an extremely interesting development given that ATi was publically committed to using Intrinsity's Fast14 technology up until now.

What makes this all the more ironic is that nvidia has been using Arithmatica's Cellmath technology for years now, starting with nv40 and both ATi's engineers and fans ridiculed nvidia's choice at the time compared to Fast14.

I guess, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em (a few years too late)...