R600 Delayed for simultaneous launch

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: apoppin
more 'IF' 'IF' from the fanboy

no substance ...

we *know* r600 is LATE

Dug777 is an "IFfer"

... ALL you fanboys are depending on the Biggest *IF* of all ...
"IF r600 is released"
:roll:

Are you clinicially thick? YOU ARE THE ONE WITH ALL THE "IFS" IN THIS THREAD!!!!

There, did you understand THAT? My God, it was easier getting through to ashkyat!

look at Dug77's ORIGINAL fantasy post that i REPLIED to:

Originally posted by: dug777
I don't think AMD is in any danger of dying a horrible death because r600 is late

They're behind now, so what really?

If r600 kicks ass, they'll be right back in the GPU game, and clearly they're not going to release it until it does kick ass...

They've got the best current integrated solution, they've got a full range of cards that i assume are selling quite nicely to the unwashed masses (no doubt not as well as Nvidia, but since when did that mean they're going to go bankrupt?), and 'ATI' have got AMDs bank account to ride on. Sounds dreadful to me

that entire fantasy is a GIANT *what IF*

just like your posts ... IF r600 is competitive ... IF they get the benchmarks ... IF barcelona ... IF it's not a HW issue .. IF they are really clever marketing geniuses

IF IF IF IF

it's - iF, you too

mine are NOT *what IFs*

AMD is LATE[period] and there is no "what if" what being late IS doing to them ... their stock IS tanking ... they ARE doubling their common stock to prevent a buyout ... their partners are asking us to "keep the faith"

nor is there any "what if" about the 8800 current overwhelming superiority - in DX NINE games over AMD's best ... nor any "what if" about intels lead

my concrete "ifs" are in response to you fanciful ones

AMD is hurting because of the delay ,,, no IF about it

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: apoppin
that entire fantasy is a GIANT *what IF*

just like your posts ... IF r600 is competitive ... IF they get the benchmarks ... IF barcelona ... IF it's not a HW issue .. IF they are really clever marketing geniuses

IF IF IF IF

it's - iF, you too

I quoted some of your "if" statements. If you're going to keep saying that I'm doing the same here, at least have the courtesy to quote a few for me as reference.

Originally posted by: apoppin
mine are NOT *what IFs*

Your "what if"s are facts, but other people's "what if"s are not.



Gotcha.

 

[apoppin]

no just you and the fan club

your 'what ifs' are ridiculous 'future' speculation assuming the very best possible conditions

mine are the grim reality of the here and now ... AMD IS Late and hurting because of it.
... with some added speculation about the "worst" to *counter* your fantasy.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: apoppin
no just you and the fan club

your 'what ifs' are ridiculous 'future' speculation assuming the very best possible conditions

mine are the grim reality of the here and now ... AMD IS Late and hurting because of it.
... with some added speculation about the "worst" to *counter* your fantasy.

I quoted some of your "if" statements. If you're going to keep saying that I'm doing the same here, at least have the courtesy to quote a few for me as reference.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: munky
Why are so many people getting their panties wet just because a video card is late? Even the ones that have no intention of buying the r600? The 8800 series are selling for reasonable prices, should have bought that already if you really wanted an upgrade. And if Nvidia did not go under after nv30, then don't expect AMD to go under just because the r600 is late.

"just because it is late" ?

why is AMD in *full damage control mode* if it is "just" a late launch?

I'd rather have them in damage control mode than in complete denial and/or ignoring the issue altogether. I don't buy their excuses for the delay, but what does it have to do with the survival of AMD? Barcelona is not late, and the r600 will not make it or break it for AMD, as long as they manage to release the rest of their next gen lineup in a similar timeframe to Nvidia.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
I think the mere fact that ackmed, 5150joker and most of the other more rabid fanatics have been conspicously absent/silent in the forum (if you really believe ackmed can't get 'net access to partake in discsussion I've a bridge i'd like to sell you) tells you everything you need to know. Even good old WaltC @ B3D has been unable to pull a R600 fantasy novel out of his ass (though he did sort of halfheartedly try briefly and it takes a lot to silence diahorrea mouth Walt).

LOL yeah it must be some conspiracy theory, we're biding our time until R600 is released so we can return in full force...the ATi Avengers! :roll: Or maybe, just maybe, we've got better things to do? I can't speak for the other "rabid fanatics" but I've been busy out in that magical mysterious place you know as the real world and spending time w/my family and when I'm free, I use the opportunity to play games on my Wii and 360; yes, some of us really do play games rather than discuss the hardware that drives them 24/7 on a forum. But hey, it's good to know you thought of us...sniff.

 

[evolucion8]

Posts with nonsense is not gonna help in anyway, why just don't discuss that in private for God sakes! R600 is only late cause of the debut of the 8800GTX, not late in the DX10 world cause there's no games on it or a lot of people migrating to Vista.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

How do I filter out posts from certain people? I would like to permanently filter out anything that Appoppin says. Please help guys

 

[imported_thefonz]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
How do I filter out posts from certain people? I would like to permanently filter out anything that Appoppin says. Please help guys

:Q LOL :laugh:

the new rollo! i remember people asking that exact same question when he was trolling around. maybe appopins getting paid too!?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: apoppin
no just you and the fan club

your 'what ifs' are ridiculous 'future' speculation assuming the very best possible conditions

mine are the grim reality of the here and now ... AMD IS Late and hurting because of it.
... with some added speculation about the "worst" to *counter* your fantasy.

I quoted some of your "if" statements. If you're going to keep saying that I'm doing the same here, at least have the courtesy to quote a few for me as reference.

Creig, do you, or do you not see a difference between your "if" statements and apoppins "if" statements?

Yours are full of silver linings. His are at least more realistic. Basically, you are doing the very same thing you berate most nvidia fans for. I know you really can't see this, but you'd better believe we can.

At any rate, why not speculate on what we have here in front of us?

R600 late (edit: incredibly late)
Barcelona and 65nm taking longer than expected
AMD stock tanking
Officers selling off for empty shares.

I cannot understand what you are defending here. Make me understand.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Ataraxia
9800 Pro was good. Maybe not totally midrange, but it wasn't top.

The 9800 Pro was most certainly "top". It was ATi's fastest card out at the time. The fastest card overall actually. Not mid range at all. It was $400 MSRP. The 9500/9600 were midrange.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: apoppin
no just you and the fan club

your 'what ifs' are ridiculous 'future' speculation assuming the very best possible conditions

mine are the grim reality of the here and now ... AMD IS Late and hurting because of it.
... with some added speculation about the "worst" to *counter* your fantasy.

I quoted some of your "if" statements. If you're going to keep saying that I'm doing the same here, at least have the courtesy to quote a few for me as reference.

Creig, do you, or do you not see a difference between your "if" statements and apoppins "if" statements?

Yours are full of silver linings. His are at least more realistic. Basically, you are doing the very same thing you berate most nvidia fans for. I know you really can't see this, but you'd better believe we can.

At any rate, why not speculate on what we have here in front of us?

R600 late (edit: incredibly late)
Barcelona and 65nm taking longer than expected
AMD stock tanking
Officers selling off for empty shares.

I cannot understand what you are defending here. Make me understand.

I don't understand why people keep stating that the R600 is late, there's any DX10 game right now? Other than DX10 patched DX9 games with doesn't offer that much eye candy. Are we able to see more than 10 DX10 tittles released by May, even on August? Are we seeing an ultra high Windows Vista Adoption? Is Windows Vista having the 75 percent of the Windows Market share? Shesh, case closed, next one please! By the time that DX10 will be used widely probably the R600 and the G80 will not have the power to run it, pretty much like it happened with the 9700PRO when DX9 was fully employed. Even today the G80 is struggling in games like Rainbow Six: Las Vegas and it is a DX9 game, of course on high resolutions like 1600x1200 with Anti Aliasing and AF, just plain strange. And the nVidia demos are not running on ultra high frame rates neither.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Ataraxia
9800 Pro was good. Maybe not totally midrange, but it wasn't top.

The 9800 Pro was most certainly "top". It was ATi's fastest card out at the time. The fastest card overall actually. Not mid range at all. It was $400 MSRP. The 9500/9600 were midrange.

That's right, I guess that the 9500/9600 were the best midranges cards available from ATi, since then their line of midrange cards like the X700 series (Excluding the XT which was an illusion), the X1600PRO/XT which failed miserably against the 7600GT, the X1800GTO which was as fast as the X800XT, and sometimes even slower, after the 9500/9600PRO/XT midrange cards, the only midrange that was worthy from ATi was the X800GTO and the X1650XT. I will keep telling that the X600PRO was a joke of bad taste.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: apoppin
no just you and the fan club

your 'what ifs' are ridiculous 'future' speculation assuming the very best possible conditions

mine are the grim reality of the here and now ... AMD IS Late and hurting because of it.
... with some added speculation about the "worst" to *counter* your fantasy.

I quoted some of your "if" statements. If you're going to keep saying that I'm doing the same here, at least have the courtesy to quote a few for me as reference.

you are completely missing the point as usual ... you called them *what if*, they are NOT!

no wonder Rollo enjoyed savaging you so much ... it so easy ... after years here you never learn

i am talking about your and especially Dug777's *WHAT IF?* fantasy

do not *confuse* your fantasy with MY *IF ... THEN* comments

the *difference* is you [and Dug] are speculating on future possibilities ... i am talking about he *concrete realities* ... AMD *is* LATE[period]

and there are "consequences" for this lateness ..... all but the most *blinded* fanboy can see them working right now in AMD's stock prices.

*IF* they continue to delay *then* there will be more severe consequences
[not fanboy fantasy "what if r600 was magically delicious?"]

everybody but the *fanboys* comprehend it ... Keys even tried to explain it to you
===============

Originally posted by: evolucion8

I don't understand why people keep stating that the R600 is late, there's any DX10 game right now? Other than DX10 patched DX9 games with doesn't offer that much eye candy. Are we able to see more than 10 DX10 tittles released by May, even on August? Are we seeing an ultra high Windows Vista Adoption? Is Windows Vista having the 75 percent of the Windows Market share? Shesh, case closed, next one please! By the time that DX10 will be used widely probably the R600 and the G80 will not have the power to run it, pretty much like it happened with the 9700PRO when DX9 was fully employed. Even today the G80 is struggling in games like Rainbow Six: Las Vegas and it is a DX9 game, of course on high resolutions like 1600x1200 with Anti Aliasing and AF, just plain strange. And the nVidia demos are not running on ultra high frame rates neither.

Why?

let me explain it to you in the strongest terms possible

R600 is late because 8800gtx and 8800GTS are kicking the living crap outta AMD's very best ... x1950xtx ... in *DX NINE* games

 

[the Chase]

R600 wouldn't be late if ATI released another 1900 refresh that bested the 8800GTX in DX 9 games.....But I think you should ask AMD stockholders whether they consider the R600 late or not.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: apoppin


let me explain it to you in the strongest terms possible

R600 is late because 8800gtx and 8800GTS are kicking the living crap outta AMD's very best ... x1950xtx ... in *DX NINE* games

Really? Got proof of this? Do you not think there are other reasons why products get delayed? Its not as if GPU's and new architecture isnt complicated or anything. NV has had cards delayed before as well. As well as any kind of PC technology, or virtually anything that is mass produced.

This isnt to say its not the reasons, it may be. Just not a good idea to use someones opinions as facts.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: the Chase
R600 wouldn't be late if ATI released another 1900 refresh that bested the 8800GTX in DX 9 games.....But I think you should ask AMD stockholders whether they consider the R600 late or not.

so instead you have AMD's top executives running around like headless roosters ... with their heads still crowing out ridiculous FUD claiming they are waiting for a "more complete platform" .... and whining that intel is "unfair" with their benchmarks.

even AMD's Partners are so nervous, other partners ask them to "keep" the faith.

there is no "what if" here ... unless they get their head out of their collective asses and start releasing some competitive product instead of BSing about it, things *will* get worse ....
not better --as in "what if" r600 was magic?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: apoppin


let me explain it to you in the strongest terms possible

R600 is late because 8800gtx and 8800GTS are kicking the living crap outta AMD's very best ... x1950xtx ... in *DX NINE* games

Really? Got proof of this?

sure i got benchmarks

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: apoppin
you are completely missing the point as usual ... you called them *what if*, they are NOT!

no wonder Rollo enjoyed savaging you so much ... it so easy ... after years here you never learn

i am talking about your and especially Dug777's *WHAT IF?* fantasy

do not *confuse* your fantasy with MY *IF ... THEN* comments

I quoted your "if"s. See them just a few posts up? Those are called quotes. They represent actual statements made by YOU. And they DEFINITELY contain the word "if". What I don't see, however, are any made by me.

Originally posted by: apoppin
the *difference* is you [and Dug] are speculating on future possibilities ... i am talking about he *concrete realities* ... AMD *is* LATE[period]

and there are "consequences" for this lateness ..... all but the most *blinded* fanboy can see them working right now in AMD's stock prices.

*IF* they continue to delay *then* there will be more severe consequences
[not fanboy fantasy "what if r600 was magically delicious?"]

everybody but the *fanboys* comprehend it ... Keys even tried to explain it to you

Ah, well, that's an entirely different subject, now isn't it? I never commented on anything doing with AMD's stock prices or disagreed that the R600 is late either. Nice try, though.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: thefonz

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
How do I filter out posts from certain people? I would like to permanently filter out anything that Appoppin says. Please help guys

:Q LOL :laugh:

the new rollo! i remember people asking that exact same question when he was trolling around. maybe appopins getting paid too!?

with an x1950p in my rig ... who?
:Q

i don't think so

saying that would prove you're not good with any kind of logic ...

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: apoppin


let me explain it to you in the strongest terms possible

R600 is late because 8800gtx and 8800GTS are kicking the living crap outta AMD's very best ... x1950xtx ... in *DX NINE* games

Really? Got proof of this? Do you not think there are other reasons why products get delayed? Its not as if GPU's and new architecture isnt complicated or anything. NV has had cards delayed before as well. As well as any kind of PC technology, or virtually anything that is mass produced.

This isnt to say its not the reasons, it may be. Just not a good idea to use someones opinions as facts.

You have entertainment value if nothing else ackmed. Go take a look at any G80 review that compares it to r580 for your proof (There is an awful lot of proof out there).

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: apoppin
you are completely missing the point as usual ... you called them *what if*, they are NOT!

no wonder Rollo enjoyed savaging you so much ... it so easy ... after years here you never learn

i am talking about your and especially Dug777's *WHAT IF?* fantasy

do not *confuse* your fantasy with MY *IF ... THEN* comments

I quoted your "if"s. See them just a few posts up? Those are called quotes. They represent actual statements made by YOU. And they DEFINITELY contain the word "if". What I don't see, however, are any made by me.

Originally posted by: apoppin
the *difference* is you [and Dug] are speculating on future possibilities ... i am talking about he *concrete realities* ... AMD *is* LATE[period]

and there are "consequences" for this lateness ..... all but the most *blinded* fanboy can see them working right now in AMD's stock prices.

*IF* they continue to delay *then* there will be more severe consequences
[not fanboy fantasy "what if r600 was magically delicious?"]

everybody but the *fanboys* comprehend it ... Keys even tried to explain it to you

Ah, well, that's an entirely different subject, now isn't it? I never commented on anything doing with AMD's stock prices or disagreed that the R600 is late either. Nice try, though.

you're the one who changed it --NOT me!

First, you said i was saying IF IF IF IF ... ok

THEN you falsly claimed that i said "What IF" ... which i did NOT do ... that is what you and especially Dug777 are doing ... fantasy speculation

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Creig, do you, or do you not see a difference between your "if" statements and apoppins "if" statements?

Yours are full of silver linings. His are at least more realistic. Basically, you are doing the very same thing you berate most nvidia fans for. I know you really can't see this, but you'd better believe we can.

At any rate, why not speculate on what we have here in front of us?

R600 late (edit: incredibly late)
Barcelona and 65nm taking longer than expected
AMD stock tanking
Officers selling off for empty shares.

I cannot understand what you are defending here. Make me understand.

I am not "if"ing anything! Is reading comprehension contagious over the internet? Please point out where I've been saying "if" in this thread? apoppin has been saying it over and over again, yet claims he hasn't.

I've never disagreed that the R600 is late or that Barcelona is running behind. And I've never looked into the matter, but I'll take your word that AMD stock is dropping and that officers are selling shares. Please point out where I've said otherwise.

All I've been doing is trying to get through to apoppin that his "logic" of:

Originally posted by: apoppin
IF AMD *doesn't* release r600 shortly, no one will CARE about the midrange

because

Originally posted by: apoppin
IF they were "ahead" we'd see some product

is totally without any sort of proof and is totally an individual opinion. And that it also seems to contain a number of "if" statements (which he vehemently denies).

There are any number of reasons the R600 isn't out yet. It could be drivers or it could be clock speeds. It could be marketing or it could be cooling. It could be the core or it could yields. What I'm saying is that NOBODY HERE KNOWS FOR SURE!

What's so wrong with that?

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: apoppin
you're the one who changed it --NOT me!

First, you said i was saying IF IF IF IF ... ok

THEN you falsly claimed that i said "What IF" ... which i did NOT do ... that is what you and especially Dug777 are doing ... fantasy speculation

So I said "what if" instead of "if" twice. So sorry. It's still all speculating on YOUR part.

I quoted some of your "if" statements. If you're going to keep saying that I'm doing the same here, at least have the courtesy to quote a few for me as reference.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: apoppin
you're the one who changed it --NOT me!

First, you said i was saying IF IF IF IF ... ok

THEN you falsly claimed that i said "What IF" ... which i did NOT do ... that is what you and especially Dug777 are doing ... fantasy speculation

So I said "what if" instead of "if" twice. So sorry. It's still all speculating on YOUR part.

I quoted some of your "if" statements. If you're going to keep saying that I'm doing the same here, at least have the courtesy to quote a few for me as reference.

courtesy for someone with memory loss?
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=9&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

Originally posted by: Creig
AMD now owns ATI and their main business is still selling CPUs. With Barcelona/Agena due out before too long and AMD getting back in the chipset business, it's just possible that they want to be able to debut an entire motherboard, CPU and video card package that all sport the AMD logo. AMD is well aware that if the R600 were to be released today, most reviewers would be using a Core 2 system to benchmark it. And I'm certain that fact wouldn't sit too well with the AMD execs.

Originally posted by: Creig
Interesting... Perhaps the "delayed for marketing purposes" idea isn't totally bogus.

your *fantasy* explanations are the equivalent of *what if* and run thru all your posts ,,, and i SAID *especially* Dug777 ... i included you for your continued fantasy speculations.

and in this thread

Originally posted by: Creig
"What if" the Mods took away your ability to use Emoticons? :Q

:roll:

i can go and dig up your posts ... you speculate ... you engage in 'what if'


but *everyone knows*