R600 Delayed for simultaneous launch

[thilanliyan]

http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/11975

Could just be PR though. Who knows.

link to full story:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2099613,00.asp

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

dont know if thats a smart idea...the longer they wait the more cards nV keeps selling.

 

[josh6079]

Making sure you launch a high end component with a mid-range one is fine.

Taking as long as they have to do that, not so much.

Even when they finally get the cards out, they still have to *start* the driver troubleshootings that nVidia has been going through (more or less) since November 8th of 06.

 

[BassBomb]

I hope their midrange is good, I've never seen them as good buys

 

[happy medium]

Something tells me that Amd/Ati cards are going to be better across the board than Nvidia.

 

[Wreckage]

If NVIDIA launches their low and mid-range first this will just be more lost sales for AMD. If the R600 is truly ready they should get it out the door and start grabbing sales and head lines.

I still say that the delay to launch the whole line is a crock of s***

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: josh6079
Even when they finally get the cards out, they still have to *start* the driver troubleshootings that nVidia has been going through (more or less) since November 8th of 06.

Let's hope that this will not be the case.. I hope they can troubleshoot and test drivers with the OEM card..

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: jim1976

Originally posted by: josh6079
Even when they finally get the cards out, they still have to *start* the driver troubleshootings that nVidia has been going through (more or less) since November 8th of 06.

Let's hope that this will not be the case.. I hope they can troubleshoot and test drivers with the OEM card..

Many driver bugs won't be found until the unwashed masses get their hands on the card.

 

[josh6079]

Many driver bugs won't be found until the unwashed masses get their hands on the card.

QFT. Nothing helps trouble shooting a driver more than having the entire world find bugs with it.

 

[Matt2]

I dont believe anything AMD tells us about R600 at this point.

ATI always launched their flagship before the lower tier cards, I dont see why now would be any different.

I just dont see the point in launching the entire line at the same time. If R600 is ready, freakin launch it and show the world that you can beat Nvidia. That will start the buzz about your mid-range line.

And why is AMD showing off R600 number crunching teraflops instead of showing it off pushing pixels. It just doesnt add up. It's almost like AMD is trying to get the server market excited about being able to push teraflops in order to take our attention away from its inability to beat G80 in 3D apps. Throw in the fact that every time R600 is delayed it creeps closer to Barcelona, I just cant shake the feeling that Barcelona + R600 is targeted towards the server market.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Many driver bugs won't be found until the unwashed masses get their hands on the card.

QFT. Nothing helps trouble shooting a driver more than having the entire world find bugs with it.

I can't wait for "akshayt" to get a R600, if it has a bug he will sure find it.

 

[josh6079]

I can't wait for "akshayt" to get a R600, if it has a bug he will sure find it.

And if it doesn't, he'll make one.

 

[chizow]

We'll have a lot of answers in about 10 days. CeBit is March 17th ya? The next month or so should be pretty interesting with R600 numbers (hopefully) and mainstream DX10 parts from NV. Really hoping they release the 8900s as well but that's probably not going to happen.

 

[eklock2000]

...am I missing something here?

Question 1 - why would they not launch the high end cards first?

Question 2 - why would I want to buy a 1000W PSU and a new case (12.5" Cards) to run crossfire - $2000 price tag, when I can get two 8800GTXs for close to $1,000 and use a good 600W PSU with no new case?

I don't think ATI has a prayer.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: Matt2
I dont believe anything AMD tells us about R600 at this point.

ATI always launched their flagship before the lower tier cards, I dont see why now would be any different.

I just dont see the point in launching the entire line at the same time. If R600 is ready, freakin launch it and show the world that you can beat Nvidia. That will start the buzz about your mid-range line.

And why is AMD showing off R600 number crunching teraflops instead of showing it off pushing pixels. It just doesnt add up. It's almost like AMD is trying to get the server market excited about being able to push teraflops in order to take our attention away from its inability to beat G80 in 3D apps. Throw in the fact that every time R600 is delayed it creeps closer to Barcelona, I just cant shake the feeling that Barcelona + R600 is targeted towards the server market.

ATI isn't calling the shots anymore. AMD is!

Smart move on their part IMO.

 

[dennilfloss]

Originally posted by: BassBomb
I hope their midrange is good, I've never seen them as good buys

Uh? My 9500 Pro was a fantastic midrange buy. Overclocked past nominal 9700 Pro levels and only started to get long in the tooth last year.

 

[Ichigo]

Originally posted by: eklock2000
...am I missing something here?

Question 1 - why would they not launch the high end cards first?

Question 2 - why would I want to buy a 1000W PSU and a new case (12.5" Cards) to run crossfire - $2000 price tag, when I can get two 8800GTXs for close to $1,000 and use a good 600W PSU with no new case?

I don't think ATI has a prayer.

2. What if the Xfire performs better?

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: Ichigo

Originally posted by: eklock2000
...am I missing something here?

Question 1 - why would they not launch the high end cards first?

Question 2 - why would I want to buy a 1000W PSU and a new case (12.5" Cards) to run crossfire - $2000 price tag, when I can get two 8800GTXs for close to $1,000 and use a good 600W PSU with no new case?

I don't think ATI has a prayer.

2. What if the Xfire performs better?

even if it does perform better, is it with paying an extra $1000? (assuming that would be the actual cost)

 

[BFG10K]

I can't wait for "akshayt" to get a R600, if it has a bug he will sure find it.

R600 is crap!

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

I can't wait for "akshayt" to get a R600, if it has a bug he will sure find it.

R600 is crap!

...It really IS!!!! I'm only getting 200fps in Most Wanted...but there's lots of stuttering!!! Would an extra 10 gigs of ram help??

 

[JBT]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss

Originally posted by: BassBomb
I hope their midrange is good, I've never seen them as good buys

Uh? My 9500 Pro was a fantastic midrange buy. Overclocked past nominal 9700 Pro levels and only started to get long in the tooth last year.

I had a 9500 Pro. It was an excellent card. But I agree with BassBomb for the most part the 9500 Pro was ATI's only good midrange card... That was like 5 years ago now...

 

[Zebo]

BS detector is pinned on this. Even if it were true why not release something anything 3d even in closed environment to stave off NV sales assault? High-end ATI cards like x1950xtx arnt selling so it's not like they are going to cannibalize themselves doing so, it can only help if they had better product which they don't.

And if they use 300W they are unsellable. 99% of us are quiet happy with our high end quiet 5-600W PSUs with NV's low power, high performing cards out there.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Zebo
BS detector is pinned on this. Even if it were true why not release something anything 3d even in closed environment to stave off NV sales assault? High-end ATI cards like x1950xtx arnt selling so it's not like they are going to cannibalize themselves doing so, it can only help if they had better product which they don't.

And if they use 300W they are unsellable. 99% of us are quiet happy with our high end quiet 5-600W PSUs with NV's low power, high performing cards out there.

You know that if r600 can walk the walk, people will pony up for it The real area that the power requirements hit people are the midrange and below, where you're often running a pretty ordinary PSU in the scheme of things (and here i'm talking the real world, not the ultra-informed minority that post on ATOT).

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Zebo
BS detector is pinned on this. Even if it were true why not release something anything 3d even in closed environment to stave off NV sales assault? High-end ATI cards like x1950xtx arnt selling so it's not like they are going to cannibalize themselves doing so, it can only help if they had better product which they don't.

And if they use 300W they are unsellable. 99% of us are quiet happy with our high end quiet 5-600W PSUs with NV's low power, high performing cards out there.

You know that if r600 can walk the walk, people will pony up for it The real area that the power requirements hit people are the midrange and below, where you're often running a pretty ordinary PSU in the scheme of things (and here i'm talking the real world, not the ultra-informed minority that post on ATOT).

Lots of people consider other factors besides money. So no I don't know.

Those 1000W PSUs are loud as hell. I had an emacs 700W and it sounded like a Harrier.
They are big and long making CD fitment issues and top rad mounts out of the question.
They are unessesary if you buy a nvidia video card

Then you have the cards itself and all it's noise to dissipate 300W of heat in a slot config... 10,000 rpm fans maybe? Better get out your earplugs.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Matt2
I dont believe anything AMD tells us about R600 at this point.

ATI always launched their flagship before the lower tier cards, I dont see why now would be any different.

I just dont see the point in launching the entire line at the same time. If R600 is ready, freakin launch it and show the world that you can beat Nvidia. That will start the buzz about your mid-range line.

And why is AMD showing off R600 number crunching teraflops instead of showing it off pushing pixels. It just doesnt add up. It's almost like AMD is trying to get the server market excited about being able to push teraflops in order to take our attention away from its inability to beat G80 in 3D apps. Throw in the fact that every time R600 is delayed it creeps closer to Barcelona, I just cant shake the feeling that Barcelona + R600 is targeted towards the server market.

QFT and especially that statement youve made. If people have any the faintest idea of how the market works, what AMD is doing with the R600 is a total disaster. They are literally giving the high end market i.e marketshare to nVIDIA. (performance market is where all the profits belong, e.g $199 and up, note that the G80 has already penetrated the $~299 market and up) Everyday is a loss for AMD, especially in the mindshare of consumers.

Big numbers are great, e.g 512bit memory interface, GDDR4, 140gb/s of insane bandwidth, but whats up with this delay and then immense hype if they fail to even mention a single benchmark against its competitor whose specs are inferior in that sense.. makes no sense whatsoever, unless the truth is that its not that much faster, if not slower.

I think AMD is making a mistake. The highest priority of the target audience should be the hardware enthusiasts and should be focusing its performance mostly on 3d apps. Not the server crowd or teraflops etc.