R600 crazy clock speeds.

[Cooler]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31968
"ATI is working hard on R600. It won't finish it until the end of the year but it aims to make the fastest chip to date. We heard that the chip might achieve and even surpass the magical 1000MHz clock. "

If the card uses GDD4 I would have to agree it sounds like it will be a monster.
My Guess is ATI will have to release r580+ late summer to fill in the gap before the next gen.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

I never praise anything till after I see the finished benchmarked product. But those specs look amazing if they can hold up. It will be interesting to see nVidia's counter.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: Cooler
My Guess is ATI will have to release r580+ late summer to fill in the gap before the next gen.

God forbid we have to go six months without yet another round of cards! That damn X1900 series is getting slow...

 

[Rage187]

considering it won't be out for many many months then anything said is just specualtion.

 

[Genx87]

clock speed is everything, ask Intel!

 

[the Chase]

I just want to know what they are going to cool this thing with?? Water cooling standard issue equipment and LN2 optional?

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: Cooler
My Guess is ATI will have to release r580+ late summer to fill in the gap before the next gen.

God forbid we have to go six months without yet another round of cards! That damn X1900 series is getting slow...

faster higher end cards cause the previous high end to trickle down to midrange.
i mean the x1800xt was 500+ last year. bieng sold for 250 now. midrage perofrmace will increase if the high end get upgrades so i eagerly await the next gpu launch.

 

[Cooler]

Originally posted by: the Chase
I just want to know what they are going to cool this thing with?? Water cooling standard issue equipment and LN2 optional?

They said it was going to be on the 65nm process. They can hit ~700 MHz on the 90nm with air and 1 GHz with extreme cooling.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: Cooler
My Guess is ATI will have to release r580+ late summer to fill in the gap before the next gen.

God forbid we have to go six months without yet another round of cards! That damn X1900 series is getting slow...

faster higher end cards cause the previous high end to trickle down to midrange.
i mean the x1800xt was 500+ last year. bieng sold for 250 now. midrage perofrmace will increase if the high end get upgrades so i eagerly await the next gpu launch.

Heh you are being nice to say last year considering it wasnt really available until December. That card has dropped 50% in the last 6 months. An amazing fall if you ask me.

 

[firewolfsm]

It'll be 65nm, they can probably take it to 1GHz with the same amount of heat as the X1900 series. AMD will be raising clock speeds, but that doesn't mean the heat will go up.

 

[allies]

We all know how accurate The Inquirer was on predicting information about R520. I'm not so sure I'll put any faith into their sources, because frankly, when dealing with ATi, they suck.

 

[Munky]

They suck at predictions, period. Where's that 32 pipe r520? What about the 700mhz 32pipe g71? I dont doubt that the r600 will be fast, but 1000mhz? NO way. Maybe we'll see 800mhz, and that's if they use a 65nm process. I don't believe it will clock higher than that without xtreme cooling.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: munky
They suck at predictions, period. Where's that 32 pipe r520? What about the 700mhz 32pipe g71? I dont doubt that the r600 will be fast, but 1000mhz? NO way. Maybe we'll see 800mhz, and that's if they use a 65nm process. I don't believe it will clock higher than that without xtreme cooling.

It's very hard when we're several months from product launch. I agree that they suck at predictions, and quite frankly, I find theINQ repulsive. Xbit says 650MHz, so that's what I'm going with, for now anyways. Next month, it might be different, and by the time it launches, I'm sure it will something new, too.

 

[the Chase]

Originally posted by: firewolfsm
It'll be 65nm, they can probably take it to 1GHz with the same amount of heat as the X1900 series. AMD will be raising clock speeds, but that doesn't mean the heat will go up.

They are also (supposedly) adding more shaders, etc. making it the biggest, most complex chip ATI has made. It's going to be hotter... It would be sweet if they could use a GTX like monster cooler, or some quieter variation of their already awesome (performance wise) cooler.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: munky
They suck at predictions, period. Where's that 32 pipe r520? What about the 700mhz 32pipe g71? I dont doubt that the r600 will be fast, but 1000mhz? NO way. Maybe we'll see 800mhz, and that's if they use a 65nm process. I don't believe it will clock higher than that without xtreme cooling.

It's very hard when we're several months from product launch. I agree that they suck at predictions, and quite frankly, I find theINQ repulsive. Xbit says 650MHz, so that's what I'm going with, for now anyways. Next month, it might be different, and by the time it launches, I'm sure it will something new, too.

I'm leaning more towards the xbit predictions aswell. With rumours of TSMC's 80nm process being problematic they might just go straight to 65nm (assuming that's not problematic too).

I do have 1 prediction of my own tho, I think the 3:1 ratio will no longer be the case with R600.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: munky
They suck at predictions, period. Where's that 32 pipe r520? What about the 700mhz 32pipe g71? I dont doubt that the r600 will be fast, but 1000mhz? NO way. Maybe we'll see 800mhz, and that's if they use a 65nm process. I don't believe it will clock higher than that without xtreme cooling.

Yeah I was about to post that re: g71... no idea on the R600 though

 

[Cooler]

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: munky
They suck at predictions, period. Where's that 32 pipe r520? What about the 700mhz 32pipe g71? I dont doubt that the r600 will be fast, but 1000mhz? NO way. Maybe we'll see 800mhz, and that's if they use a 65nm process. I don't believe it will clock higher than that without xtreme cooling.

It's very hard when we're several months from product launch. I agree that they suck at predictions, and quite frankly, I find theINQ repulsive. Xbit says 650MHz, so that's what I'm going with, for now anyways. Next month, it might be different, and by the time it launches, I'm sure it will something new, too.

I'm leaning more towards the xbit predictions aswell. With rumours of TSMC's 80nm process being problematic they might just go straight to 65nm (assuming that's not problematic too).

I do have 1 prediction of my own tho, I think the 3:1 ratio will no longer be the case with R600.

seems it will be 64 shaders I am not sure how many texture units but pipes don?t really exists in r600 because of its unified nature..

 

[hans007]

yeah, the r580 core is already bleeding tons of heat.

at 1000mhz it would be 2.25 times more heat at 90nm.

tsmc is having trouble even getting 80nm working, so i seriously doubt they can get it down to 65nm that fast.

 

[sindows]

Well it'll have unified shaders and will be the "fastest Directx9 card built by ATI" according to Xbit so I'm willing to wait and so what they have

 

[nitromullet]

Isn't always this way about 6 months before a release? The cards are always monster this and that with an expected performance increase a of 200%, but by the time they launch it turns into about 30-50% overall performance increase. Next a whole bunch of people complain that the companies are slipping because the gains aren't as big as "expected". Of course, finally someone will set everone straight with "Just you wait until R700 and G90, they were just warming up with this release".

 

[Polish3d]

LOL how true

 

[josh6079]

I'm interested in how the unified shader will work for DX9. I mean, the r600 is built from the ground up for DX10. Since DX9 and DX10 are not backwards compatable, I don't know if we can really estimate what kind of performance gains we'll see, whether it be 30%-50%, 200% or a negative 10%. It's too long away to really guess anything.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: Cooler

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: munky
They suck at predictions, period. Where's that 32 pipe r520? What about the 700mhz 32pipe g71? I dont doubt that the r600 will be fast, but 1000mhz? NO way. Maybe we'll see 800mhz, and that's if they use a 65nm process. I don't believe it will clock higher than that without xtreme cooling.

It's very hard when we're several months from product launch. I agree that they suck at predictions, and quite frankly, I find theINQ repulsive. Xbit says 650MHz, so that's what I'm going with, for now anyways. Next month, it might be different, and by the time it launches, I'm sure it will something new, too.

I'm leaning more towards the xbit predictions aswell. With rumours of TSMC's 80nm process being problematic they might just go straight to 65nm (assuming that's not problematic too).

I do have 1 prediction of my own tho, I think the 3:1 ratio will no longer be the case with R600.

seems it will be 64 shaders I am not sure how many texture units but pipes don?t really exists in r600 because of its unified nature..

According to xbit 16 TMU's (inline with R580). R600 or G80 will be my next upgrade (going to buy a 7600GT for Linux) but right now i'm not leaning towards either one until actual performance is unveiled.

Either way it looks like a fast card is possibly in the works (they were talking 750-800MHz for 80nm R580+) but it's still too early to tell.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: josh6079
I'm interested in how the unified shader will work for DX9. I mean, the r600 is built from the ground up for DX10. Since DX9 and DX10 are not backwards compatable, I don't know if we can really estimate what kind of performance gains we'll see, whether it be 30%-50%, 200% or a negative 10%. It's too long away to really guess anything.

As far as the actual hardware is concerned, it should have no problem with DX9 apps. When it boils down to machine instruction, there's no reason why a dot3 product in DX10 should be any different than a dot3 product in DX9. But it will be up to the drivers to assign dedicated VS/PS instructions to unified shaders, and it may lose some efficiency in that regard.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: josh6079
I'm interested in how the unified shader will work for DX9. I mean, the r600 is built from the ground up for DX10. Since DX9 and DX10 are not backwards compatable, I don't know if we can really estimate what kind of performance gains we'll see, whether it be 30%-50%, 200% or a negative 10%. It's too long away to really guess anything.

Unified shaders actually bring performance down on DX9 apps. There was a long discussion of this, some time ago. This is why, i think NV is taking the "hybrid" approach.

Even if Vista launches, vast majority of "DX10" games will be similiar to DX9. Its going to be a while before a true DX10 game comes out.

So we would expect both camps to bring these DX10 "compatible" cards but the cards will still focus heavily on DX9.