R600 beanz from Hexus

[crazydingo]

ATi has attempted to create good working versions of the R600 a number of times but, for various reasons, has needed to re-spin the GPU. The company is now up to spin A13.

...

We don't know the state of play with the A13 spin but do understand that ATi has got A12 running at a speed of 1GHz.

That's around half the target speed of the production version, which is now set to arrive some time in "early" 2007 and not before Christmas as originally promised. That gives NVIDIA's faster-than-a-ferret-on-pheromones, DirectX 10 GPU - the G80 - a quarter's head-start or more.

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=7437

Seemingly, ATi has been aiming to achieve 11,000 3DMark scores at 750MHz. That's tasty and may mean the R600 offers a strong challenge to NVIDIA's G80 GPU given that, as we reported in HEXUS.Beanz a few hours ago, ATi's already got samples running at 1GHz and has higher targets in mind.

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=7439

:Q

Where are Kristopher's leaks ? Hexus is taking all the glory.

 

[Cooler]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

ATi has attempted to create good working versions of the R600 a number of times but, for various reasons, has needed to re-spin the GPU. The company is now up to spin A13.

...

We don't know the state of play with the A13 spin but do understand that ATi has got A12 running at a speed of 1GHz.

That's around half the target speed of the production version, which is now set to arrive some time in "early" 2007 and not before Christmas as originally promised. That gives NVIDIA's faster-than-a-ferret-on-pheromones, DirectX 10 GPU - the G80 - a quarter's head-start or more.

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=7437

Seemingly, ATi has been aiming to achieve 11,000 3DMark scores at 750MHz. That's tasty and may mean the R600 offers a strong challenge to NVIDIA's G80 GPU given that, as we reported in HEXUS.Beanz a few hours ago, ATi's already got samples running at 1GHz and has higher targets in mind.

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=7439

:Q

Where are Kristopher's leaks ? Hexus is taking all the glory.

2 Ghz GPU that is crazy fast i think its not true. ~800-850mhz should be their real target. I Dont think there will be another respin if A12 can reach 1ghz.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Cooler

2 Ghz GPU that is crazy fast i think its not true. ~800-850mhz should be their real target. I Dont think there will be another respin if A12 can reach 1ghz.

Well G80 being the biggest GPU evar! has shaders clocked at "only" 1.35GHz so call me circumspect before calling BS on this 1-2GHz rumor.

Does any one know if some one from Kristopher's team (Dailytech) is in Taipei to cover the CES?

 

[Cooler]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Cooler

2 Ghz GPU that is crazy fast i think its not true. ~800-850mhz should be their real target. I Dont think there will be another respin if A12 can reach 1ghz.

Well G80 being the biggest GPU evar! has shaders clocked at "only" 1.35GHz so call me circumspect before calling BS on this 1-2GHz rumor.

Does any one know if some one from Kristopher's team (Dailytech) is in Taipei to cover the CES?

ATI's R600 has 64 Shader 4-way SIMD so i dont think it could clock as high. Thats 256 simple shading units.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Cooler
ATI's R600 has 64 Shader 4-way SIMD so i dont think it could clock as high. Thats 256 simple shading units.

Nothing is confirmed about R600's configuration as yet. So disregarding one rumor based on another isnt quite correct.

From Tech-Report's article the figure was 96 but 96 what ? scalar or anything else ? So yeah that spec is also pretty much up in the air.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Tasty beanz.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

With A11, as we understand it, the issue was very, very simple. Someone forgot to connect the pins that let the GPU communicate with the outside world.

funny funny stuff

 

[lopri]

I wonder how many respins took place so far? Say,

A01
A02
A11
A12
A13

Would it be like above? I don't know how the numbering scheme goes, but it's certainly not a good news for ATI..

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: lopri
I wonder how many respins took place so far? Say,

A01
A02
A11
A12
A13

Would it be like above? I don't know how the numbering scheme goes, but it's certainly not a good news for ATI..

No it goes like this

A11
A12
A13

Axy where x is for silicon, and y is for metal. This was explained by Hexus.

Nvidia names its spins from A01, A02 I think.

 

[lopri]

I understand that. Hence my questioning regarding the first number. ('x')

One of the two numerals indicates the version of the silicon spin; the other the version of the metal spin. Think of it this way - when the spin revision is designated Axy, then x is for silicon, and y is for metal.

It could also mean there was a silicon spin, too. Unless ATI's silicon spining starts with 1, instead of 0 as in NV's case.

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: lopri
I understand that. Hence my questioning regarding the first number. ('x')

One of the two numerals indicates the version of the silicon spin; the other the version of the metal spin. Think of it this way - when the spin revision is designated Axy, then x is for silicon, and y is for metal.

It could also mean there was a silicon spin, too. Unless ATI's silicon spining starts with 1, instead of 0 as in NV's case.

You know, just to be different.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Cooler

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Cooler

2 Ghz GPU that is crazy fast i think its not true. ~800-850mhz should be their real target. I Dont think there will be another respin if A12 can reach 1ghz.

Well G80 being the biggest GPU evar! has shaders clocked at "only" 1.35GHz so call me circumspect before calling BS on this 1-2GHz rumor.

Does any one know if some one from Kristopher's team (Dailytech) is in Taipei to cover the CES?

ATI's R600 has 64 Shader 4-way SIMD so i dont think it could clock as high. Thats 256 simple shading units.

Agreed. I remember hearing about G71 samples hitting over 800mhz from "rumour mills", but hitting that high doesnt equal to stability.

One of the main reasons nVIDIA used scalar shaders is because you are able to clock them really high. With ATi seemingly using vec4, i dont see how its possible to reach "1ghz".

Maybe they used the fast14 tech.. I not so sure.

 

[BenchZowner]

There will be no delay.
The card will be out in February.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Agreed. I remember hearing about G71 samples hitting over 800mhz from "rumour mills", but hitting that high doesnt equal to stability.

Link? I hope thats not hair air.

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
One of the main reasons nVIDIA used scalar shaders is because you are able to clock them really high. With ATi seemingly using vec4, i dont see how its possible to reach "1ghz".

Nvidia is also working with a much larger die which limits their clock speed and probably why they chose to go scalar and also have a separate I/O chip. Add to that no real confirmation on R600's ALU spec.

 

[wanderer27]

Hmm, I've been doing a lot of debating on getting one of the G80's or the immediate successor.

If the R600 has a chance to be that much faster I may just have to sit this one out a while and let the dust settle . . . .

 

[Keysplayr]

My guess is they won't release R600 until it is faster than G80. They'll keep spinning until they are satisfied that they can compete, or even best G80. Hey, if first you don't succeed......

 

[wanderer27]

Well, I expect it to be faster, otherwise why bother (unless it's much cheaper)?

My question is how much faster is it going to be than the G80?

From these Rumors it's sounding like it's going to be phenomally faster than the G80 . . . . of course it's all Rumor at this point.

 

[ronnn]

Hexus is less reputable than the Inquirer. Either Keys is right and the r600 can't compete or it is later because it is better. Should know soon enough, as the real info should start leaking soon if January launch date is accurate. Lets hope for some dx10 to make real comparisons.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: wanderer27
Well, I expect it to be faster, otherwise why bother (unless it's much cheaper)?

My question is how much faster is it going to be than the G80?

From these Rumors it's sounding like it's going to be phenomally faster than the G80 . . . . of course it's all Rumor at this point

It's all about the type of shaders that the R600 is going to use.

Personally, I dont think that vec4 shaders at 800mhz is going to cut it. Just for reference, G80 uses 128 scalar shaders operating at 1.35ghz.

ATI is going to have to keep the Vec4 shaders fed and keep the shader utilzation up for it to be decisively faster than G80.

 

[Nelsieus]

I'm wondering why they even need to clock so high. It's not typical for any firm to go all out on just one card, but to instead leave room for further improvement based on the competition's delivery.

So either that means R600 is lacking in other deptartments and ATI literally has to clock it at 2GHz for it to be competitive, or it'll have amazing potential and 2GHz doesn't even begin to reach it's cap....only time will tell.

Anywho, March 14 (claimed by Hexus) is rather dissapointing, though I guess I'm not surprised granted the issues that seem to be happening.

 

[BFG10K]

Hexus is less reputable than the Inquirer.

This is a joke, right?

I'm not saying either are necessarily right but Hexus doesn't have a history of being wrong as many times as the Inquirer is.

 

[wanderer27]

Originally posted by: Nelsieus
I'm wondering why they even need to clock so high. It's not typical for any firm to go all out on just one card, but to instead leave room for further improvement based on the competition's delivery.

So either that means R600 is lacking in other deptartments and ATI literally has to clock it at 2GHz for it to be competitive, or it'll have amazing potential and 2GHz doesn't even begin to reach it's cap....only time will tell.

Anywho, March 14 (claimed by Hexus) is rather dissapointing, though I guess I'm not surprised granted the issues that seem to be happening.

Maybe it has something to with AMD's guidance?

Could be they're wanting to rule the Graphics Market like they once were the CPU Market for a while.

As it is, it's going to be a while before they get back on track with Intels latest from the way it sounds.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Damn I knew I was early on buying a 700w PSU (Seasonic M12 700w)
Can't wait to put these in crossfire

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Agreed. I remember hearing about G71 samples hitting over 800mhz from "rumour mills", but hitting that high doesnt equal to stability.

Link? I hope thats not hair air.

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
One of the main reasons nVIDIA used scalar shaders is because you are able to clock them really high. With ATi seemingly using vec4, i dont see how its possible to reach "1ghz".

Nvidia is also working with a much larger die which limits their clock speed and probably why they chose to go scalar and also have a separate I/O chip. Add to that no real confirmation on R600's ALU spec.

R520 700+mhz

G70 800+mhz

G71 750 mhz

G71 700~750mhz

I could probably dig more but i cannot be bothered. INQ/Hexus/Vr-Zone/all rumour sites practically copy one from another, saying they heard it from their "sources".

I say BS on ATi claiming 1ghz core clock speed because its literally impossible for a complex chip to be clocked that high unless we are talking about nitrogen cooling. Now 2ghz, and thats just pushing it.

Maybe ATi decided to go for the clock domain concept like nVIDIA but ive never seen ATi do it before so its hard to say that either.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

It'll probably be a while before I upgrade my video card (current games I play simply do not demand the power), but when I do, man will it be a treat to see the amazing difference in power - these cards are getting crazy.