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R580 Beating GTX512 by 25% +

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Steelski

Senior member
I know its the Inquirer, but its better than nothing (some would argue)
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28826

"We can tell you for sure that Radeon X19000 XTX is beating GTX 512 from 25 per cent to even more, but figures may vary."

What i want to know is if true was it what people would be expecting?
(there is also a typo in the statement.tehehehehehehehehe(giggling like a girl))
 
If this brief article says the truth, the only relevant (and disappointing) piece of info for me is that nVidia want to milk the GTX 512 which will apparently delay the release of G71 :/
 
7900GTX = 2x 7800GTX 512 SLI! Wasn't this the trend and the reason why people don't go SLI? =)

100% performance increase!

If NVidia prices the 512s $150 less than the X1900XT, then there will be reason to go for the 512s =)
 
Originally posted by: TecHNooB
7900GTX = 2x 7800GTX 512 SLI! Wasn't this the trend and the reason why people don't go SLI? =)

100% performance increase!

If NVidia prices the 512s $150 less than the X1900XT, then there will be reason to go for the 512s =)
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no the 8800gtx would probably as fast a an be sli 7800gtx setup.
this G71 is the same generation, just a mid cycle refresh.(like the 9800pro was to the 9700pro, or the x800xt ot the x850xt or the fx5900 was to the fx5800)

every new cycle though, you can probably expect the card that replaces it to be as fast or faster than a slied last generation(about 12-18 months).
 
Originally posted by: darXoul
If this brief article says the truth, the only relevant (and disappointing) piece of info for me is that nVidia want to milk the GTX 512 which will apparently delay the release of G71 :/
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I think that your right. it is dissapointing news if true. I think that the Nvidia position with the 512GTX is that they have to fulfill their backorders. As Nvidia is not really a manufacturer they could be responding to pressure from partners or that simply the G71 is not ready yet.
 
I'll believe it when I see it. Not necessarily because it sounds all that far fetched, but because I think The Inquirer just makes sh!t up to keep people visiting their site most of the time.
 
mwmorph good point. But it is uncharacteristic for a refresh to have more pipes or pixel shaders; especially going from 16 to 48 for ATi and from 24 to 32 for Nvidia. Also Nvidia is probably going to increase clock speeds substantially. Normally you either see a complex chip like 7800 series with lots of pipes but lower clocks or a full out high-clock speed chip like R520.

Just thinking of 550mhz (but might be 700?) 32 pipeline G71 and 48 pixel shader R580 is like thinking as if they are a new generation of cards because of how much more powerful they are going to be. I was gonna pull the trigger on X850XT deal at microcenter but now I might just wait and get an A64 system and one of these when I am done school in 4 months, just in time for summer gaming.
 
Originally posted by: Steelski
Originally posted by: darXoul
If this brief article says the truth, the only relevant (and disappointing) piece of info for me is that nVidia want to milk the GTX 512 which will apparently delay the release of G71 :/
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I think that your right. it is dissapointing news if true. I think that the Nvidia position with the 512GTX is that they have to fulfill their backorders. As Nvidia is not really a manufacturer they could be responding to pressure from partners or that simply the G71 is not ready yet.
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nonsense , , , smoke and mirrors

nVidia obviously doesn't "care" about the 512GTX availability . . . it served its purpose in beating the x1800xt . . . [remember they are in business to make money and kill ati] 😉

Q: plus whose gonna want one with g71 around the corner? [A: about as many people as are buying x1800xts - right now] and nVidia is gonna have to DISCOUNT the 512 GTX if they are gonna sell it with x1900xt beating it soundly
[i know i'd sure cancel my 512 backorder IF i had one]

nVidia set a VERY high bar for them to meet - every time - we now EXPECT product availibility at launch.

Clearly ATi has been preparing for the x1900xtx for some time and i'd say the situation is now reversed [from r520 v g70] with nVidia scrambling to 'catch up'.

my take my opinion . . . don't ask for links . . . you'll see
 
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Steelski
Originally posted by: darXoul
If this brief article says the truth, the only relevant (and disappointing) piece of info for me is that nVidia want to milk the GTX 512 which will apparently delay the release of G71 :/
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I think that your right. it is dissapointing news if true. I think that the Nvidia position with the 512GTX is that they have to fulfill their backorders. As Nvidia is not really a manufacturer they could be responding to pressure from partners or that simply the G71 is not ready yet.
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nonsense , , , smoke and mirrors

nVidia obviously doesn't "care" about the 512GTX availability . . . it served its purpose in beating the x1800xt . . . [remember they are in business to make money and kill ati] 😉

Q: plus whose gonna want one with g71 around the corner? [A: about as many people as are buying x1800xts - right now] and nVidia is gonna have to DISCOUNT the 512 GTX if they are gonna sell it with x1900xt beating it soundly
[i know i'd sure cancel my 512 backorder IF i had one]

nVidia set a VERY high bar for them to meet - every time - we now EXPECT product availibility at launch.

Clearly ATi has been preparing for the x1900xtx for some time and i'd say the situation is now reversed [from r520 v g70] with nVidia scrambling to 'catch up'.

my take my opinion . . . don't ask for links . . . you'll see
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Agree whole heartedly :thumbsup:
 
"We can tell you for sure that Radeon X19000 XTX is beating GTX 512 from 25 per cent to even more, but figures may vary."
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I should hope so, or the card really wouldn't be worth putting put IMO. The X1800XT already holds its own pretty well between the GTX and GTX 512, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for ATI to release another card that does the same. Hopefully, the two will keep this back and forth up, and the 7900's will edge out the X1900XTX by another 25%ish margin.

...btw, are the G71 rumors only for a "7900 Ultra/GTX" card or is there some speculation about a 7900 GT as well (ie. a 24 or 28-pipe G71 with 512MB)? If the trend from the last two gens continues, the GT variety will be the way to go. A $300-400 GTX 512 killer sounds like a plan to me. 🙂
 
All this being said, I'm sure 2006 will be a great year for us gamers/consumers. All we need now is for electric cars or some other cheaper alternative fuel powered vehicles to drive down the prices of oil and gasoline.
 
Originally posted by: nitromullet
"We can tell you for sure that Radeon X19000 XTX is beating GTX 512 from 25 per cent to even more, but figures may vary."
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I should hope so, or the card really wouldn't be worth putting put IMO. The X1800XT already holds its own pretty well between the GTX and GTX 512, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for ATI to release another card that does the same. Hopefully, the two will keep this back and forth up, and the 7900's will edge out the X1900XTX by another 25%ish margin.

...btw, are the G71 rumors only for a "7900 Ultra/GTX" card or is there some speculation about a 7900 GT as well (ie. a 24 or 28-pipe G71 with 512MB)? If the trend from the last two gens continues, the GT variety will be the way to go.
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well "GTX" sure doesn't have a "good" name anymore - with the 512 debacle,

i'd say [further speculation] that nVidia INTENDS to be a week or two late to "see" what ati brings to the table . . . and will adjust their clock rates accordingly.

EXPECT a super expensive/unavailable "GTX ultra" with 1GB of superfast vRAM IF the x1900xt turns out to be a 512-GTX crusher [and it will be]

does anyone seriously want their backordered $650 512GTX . . . now?

i'd wait
[but that's just me]
😉
 
apoppin, what you posted certainly seems reasonable but on the other hand, it's also possible nVidia was simply struggling trying to meet the demand because of this "elite" memory or something else. It's pure speculation but even with G71 just around the corner, I'm pretty certain the GTX 512 would still find more buyers than we can both imagine, being rational guys 😉

I only hope G71 will be released soon (early February) and won't be delayed. That's all. I wanna play some new games smoothly in high settings, and I need a very powerful video card rig for that. I'd go and grab GT SLI but G71 will be faster, quieter and possibly also not much more expensive in my country. Unless the price is outrageous, I might even get two for SLI.
 
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: nitromullet
"We can tell you for sure that Radeon X19000 XTX is beating GTX 512 from 25 per cent to even more, but figures may vary."
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I should hope so, or the card really wouldn't be worth putting put IMO. The X1800XT already holds its own pretty well between the GTX and GTX 512, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for ATI to release another card that does the same. Hopefully, the two will keep this back and forth up, and the 7900's will edge out the X1900XTX by another 25%ish margin.

...btw, are the G71 rumors only for a "7900 Ultra/GTX" card or is there some speculation about a 7900 GT as well (ie. a 24 or 28-pipe G71 with 512MB)? If the trend from the last two gens continues, the GT variety will be the way to go.
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well "GTX" sure doesn't have a "good" name anymore - with the 512 debacle,

i'd say [further speculation] that nVidia INTENDS to be a week or two late to "see" what ati brings to the table . . . and will adjust their clock rates accordingly.

EXPECT a super expensive/unavailable "GTX ultra" with 1GB of superfast vRAM IF the x1900xt turns out to be a 512-GTX crusher [and it will be]

does anyone seriously want their backordered $650 512GTX . . . now?

i'd wait
[but that's just me]
😉
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Well, I'm not really talking about naming. Besides, I still think the GTX has a "good" name, the 256 variety launch is pretty much what future launches will be guaged against. I don't think the 512 was ever meant to be out in great numbers, but anyway... I do agree with your point that there is no reason to wait on a backordered 512 now... The 512 was never meant to have a long product cycle IMO.

What I was asking about is if there was any rumor/sepculation about a second-from-the-top variety card based on G71. If G80 is only set to be introduced sometime in Q4, then it would make sense for NV to release a 7900GT as well to fill the decent bang for the buck high performance slot (the slot the current 7800GT has). I would be very interested in a $300-400 card that out performs the GTX 512.
 
It's curious that Nvidia is going to be later with G71 than people were expecting. I was going to post that they are probably having some growing pains with the 90nm shrink but then recalled that they have 90nm mobile parts out already so ? I would think we would see some early leaked benchies for the R580 from HPKEP or whatever that Chinese site is named. I'm hoping the increase is big enough to justify a big purchase. May have to wait to see what the G71 brings though...
 
Originally posted by: darXoul
apoppin, what you posted certainly seems reasonable but on the other hand, it's also possible nVidia was simply struggling trying to meet the demand because of this "elite" memory or something else. It's pure speculation but even with G71 just around the corner, I'm pretty certain the GTX 512 would still find more buyers than we can both imagine, being rational guys 😉

I only hope G71 will be released soon (early February) and won't be delayed. That's all. I wanna play some new games smoothly in high settings, and I need a very powerful video card rig for that. I'd go and grab GT SLI but G71 will be faster, quieter and possibly also not much more expensive in my country. Unless the price is outrageous, I might even get two for SLI.
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whether nVidia "cared" [or struggled to meed demand] or not is immaterial . . . the 512MB GTX already served its purpose.

EXPECT g71 to be released very shortly after the x1900s . . . probably early Feb . . .

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Originally posted by: nitromullet

Well, I'm not really talking about naming. Besides, I still think the GTX has a "good" name, the 256 variety launch is pretty much what future launches will be guaged against. I don't think the 512 was ever meant to be out in great numbers, but anyway... I do agree with your point that there is no reason to wait on a backordered 512 now... The 512 was never meant to have a long product cycle IMO.

What I was asking about is if there was any rumor/sepculation about a second-from-the-top variety card based on G71. If G80 is only set to be introduced sometime in Q4, then it would make sense for NV to release a 7900GT as well to fill the decent bang for the buck high performance slot (the slot the current 7800GT has). I would be very interested in a $300-400 card that out performs the GTX 512.
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i believe the new line is "complete" . . . "ultra"/GTX . . . GTX . . . GT . . . and maybe something to replace the AGP GS.

[speculation mode still 'on'] 😉

 
Cards are getting faster, yay. But the R580 isn't designed to compete with the 7800 series is it? It's designed to compete with Nvidia's refresh (or whatever you wanna call it lol)...

The best news about this is hopefully we'll have some good healthy competition this time, bringing prices for everything down. I'd LOVE to see the X1800/7800 series cards pushed down into the mid-low $200 range 🙂 That, my friends, is the BIGGEST feature of these new cards 🙂
 
A 25% increase seems a little low considering how powerful this card looks on paper. (according to the Inq's specs, anyway)

If this brief article says the truth, the only relevant (and disappointing) piece of info for me is that nVidia want to milk the GTX 512 which will apparently delay the release of G71 :/
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Yeah, that's bad news for me. It decreases my chances of being able to step up. 🙁 I might just sell one of my cards on ebay instead and get some R580 based card if it's going to be over a month later.
 
Originally posted by: extra
Cards are getting faster, yay. But the R580 isn't designed to compete with the 7800 series is it? It's designed to compete with Nvidia's refresh (or whatever you wanna call it lol)...

The best news about this is hopefully we'll have some good healthy competition this time, bringing prices for everything down. I'd LOVE to see the X1800/7800 series cards pushed down into the mid-low $200 range 🙂 That, my friends, is the BIGGEST feature of these new cards 🙂
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What are peeps thoughts as to whether ATI and Nv will continue the old lineup or replace it with these new cards? My guess is that they will/are stop production of the old line. Esp. Nvidia with the 90nm yielding more chips per wafer(one would think). I wish they would continue the old lineup as I would jump on a X1800XT for $250-300.😛
 
Originally posted by: the Chase
Originally posted by: extra
Cards are getting faster, yay. But the R580 isn't designed to compete with the 7800 series is it? It's designed to compete with Nvidia's refresh (or whatever you wanna call it lol)...

The best news about this is hopefully we'll have some good healthy competition this time, bringing prices for everything down. I'd LOVE to see the X1800/7800 series cards pushed down into the mid-low $200 range 🙂 That, my friends, is the BIGGEST feature of these new cards 🙂
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What are peeps thoughts as to whether ATI and Nv will continue the old lineup or replace it with these new cards? My guess is that they will/are stop production of the old line. Esp. Nvidia with the 90nm yielding more chips per wafer(one would think). I wish they would continue the old lineup as I would jump on a X1800XT for $250-300.😛
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just like before and before that . . . a complete new lineup with the discounted 'old' cards serving as "temporary replacements" as the new line gets fillled in completely.
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Originally posted by: Kalessian
My x800xtpe is already old :l
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it's an antique 😛

and i got my x850xt this past thursday.

😀
 
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