R520 will be dual slot

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: fierydemise

Originally posted by: southpawuni

Originally posted by: fierydemise

Originally posted by: southpawuni
I'll take a single slot, cool, quiet, low power consumption 7800 with stable drivers, over a loud, huge, power hungry R520 with a higher price and immature drivers anyday.

unless they can put out massive numbers like 50% performance gains for the same price as Nvidia.. wont happen.

I'd need a very massive performance increase (at equal or lower price) to concede all the benefits inherent to the Geforce7.

Links to prove that R520 is power hungry, will have a higher MSRP, or will be loud.

Links to prove that it wont?

I don't have any but from your response I'm guessing you don't have any links to prove your statement, but if you do please prove my wrong I would love to be enlightened.

Actually it was you guys who insinuated that this card wouldnt be loud, hot, noisy, power hungry and huge.
And you still are.

The problem here is, you two do not like my OPINION.. but we are supposed to take yours, that its not a loud, hot, noisey, powerhungry beast instead?

I'm going off the speculation that this is ATI's NV30, a rather popular notion.. mind you.

Just because someone says something that you cant stand due to your incessant ATI fanboyism, and its the bane of your very existence.. does not mean you have to stomp it out.. the truth (if I'm correct) is nothing to hide from.

 

[Drayvn]

So by the Inqs memory the X800 had dual slot cooling....

Err did i miss something?

 

[VIAN]

You should start reading more reputable news sources...The Inquirer is only right about 50% of the time, and that's when they take an article from someone else.

No offense, but don't be annoying.

 

[Pete]

Exactly who is that notion popular with, southpaw? Pundits? Wags? Oh, right, your opinion isn't the one on trial here.

BTW, they insinuated that we don't know enough to insinuate anything. You're the only one who put forward a theory. Judging by your other posts, it's hard not to see it as biased.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Bona Fide
You should start reading more reputable news sources...The Inquirer is only right about 50% of the time, and that's when they take an article from someone else.

The Inquirer is responsible for many rumors that start about future hardware, especially the one about an 800 pin socket for AMD and Dual Core.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
I dont understand who cares about ual slot, even in a sing slot config, yuo are supposed to leave theclosest pci slot open so you dont restrict airflow. Dual slot now takes advantage of that slo0t you were going to leave empty to pump hot air out, thus lowering temps dramatically.

It blocks the neighboring pci slot, limiting the flexabiltiy of your computer. Right now I have 4out of 5 PCI slots filled in my PC, so a crossfire solution that takes up 4 slots is a big deal.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Pete

Originally posted by: Rollo
Why are you bringing up 5800Us at all when all I mentioned in my last post was 5900U and 6800U dual slot cards?

I believe a 5800U falls under the "NV3x-NV4x" heading, and the 5800U was the worst offender. Subsequent cards were better.

The fact of the matter is, ATI fans have complained much about the size of these cards, so I'm goign to note this must be a sore spot for them as ATIs new top card is a dual slot, and their last one was as well.

It'll be a sore spot if the card sucks. If it's good, no one'll care (read: 6800U). If it's still an FX card (read: 5900U), don't expect redemption from some extra registers.

And no one should care what fanboys have to say one way or another. Mere (rational) "fans" will deal, as dual-slot coolers aren't a blow to their misplaced pride.

I'd just prefer you stop bringing up this tired old ATI vs. nV crap. You yourself say you'll buy whatever card is best, so who gives a flying fig whether an ATI fan's pride will suffer a blow from a dual-slot cooler in the first place? I just can't see a *good* reason for you to have brought it up. I really appreciate your benchmark threads, but why keep taking a step back with cheap and pointless shots like your first post here?

Sorry, I'm in a combative mood tonight, but I think your post deserved to be singled out for its unconstructive nature (much like southpaw's second post).

I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

A lot of ATI fans posted the 5900Us and 6800Us were "under engineered, over volted, and required ridiculous two slot cooling".

A lot.

My noting they will likely feel some regret having to switch brands or put up with a dual slot on their new card isn't a "cheap shot", it's an observation. I've already stated many times over I don't care either way and will buy a copy to test, faster or not.

Your "feeling combative" isn't reason enough for me want to enter a flamewar with you, this is just how I see it.

You're entitled to your opinion, of course.

 

[Drayvn]

6900U

Jeez i must have blinked when that came out and then dissappeared when i opened them

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: southpawuni

Originally posted by: fierydemise

Originally posted by: southpawuni
I'll take a single slot, cool, quiet, low power consumption 7800 with stable drivers, over a loud, huge, power hungry R520 with a higher price and immature drivers anyday.

unless they can put out massive numbers like 50% performance gains for the same price as Nvidia.. wont happen.

I'd need a very massive performance increase (at equal or lower price) to concede all the benefits inherent to the Geforce7.

Links to prove that R520 is power hungry, will have a higher MSRP, or will be loud.

Links to prove that it wont?

The burden of proof lies with the proponent.

Rollo turns yet another thread into an Nvidia vs ATI bashfest.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: zendari
Rollo turns yet another thread into an Nvidia vs ATI bashfest.

Gee, welcome to the real world Zendari.

This is a hobbyists forum, I have news for you:

Any hobby forum you go on, you will find people debating one brand vs. another.

People are in a constant state of trying to alleviate buyers remorse, and convince themselves they made the "right" choice, so they scramble on boards like this to convince others of their views.

If I didn't exist on this board at all, the threads would be the same. How do I know? Go check out boards I don't post on.

 

[SonicIce]

at 600MHz plus, this thing better absolutely blow away the 7800. that inquirer article is useless without :camera:'s

 

[ddogg]

Originally posted by: Drayvn
6900U

Jeez i must have blinked when that came out and then dissappeared when i opened them

lol typo there!!....

 

[ddogg]

well i wouldnt care a damm if ATI's top card is dual slot as long as its a good performer and not many will(atleast enthusiasts wont). what rollo is trying to point out here is that it would hurt diehard ATI fanboys who continously bashed the FX and 6 series of cards since they were unable to compete with ATI's single slot.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ddogg
well i wouldnt care a damm if ATI's top card is dual slot as long as its a good performer and not many will(atleast enthusiasts wont). what rollo is trying to point out here is that it would hurt diehard ATI fanboys who continously bashed the FX and 6 series of cards since they were unable to compete with ATI's single slot.

QFT

 

[remagavon]

Originally posted by: ddogg
well i wouldnt care a damm if ATI's top card is dual slot as long as its a good performer and not many will(atleast enthusiasts wont). what rollo is trying to point out here is that it would hurt diehard ATI fanboys who continously bashed the FX and 6 series of cards since they were unable to compete with ATI's single slot.

click

 

[Killrose]

The real problem with the origional 2-slot design was that the hot GPU air was directed back into the case instead of exhausted from it. That is probably the real reason most people (my self included) did not like it.

 

[BFG10K]

I had hoped the R520 might be a quiet design but a dual-slot cooler makes that unlikely.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I had hoped the R520 might be a quiet design but a dual-slot cooler makes that unlikely.

I wouldn't say all dual slot coolers are noisy. The Artic Cooling dual slot coolers are extremely quiet (VGA Silencer & ATI/NV Silencer). I doubt any company would recreate a 'dust buster' scenario ever again given the backlash it received from the public.

 

[BFG10K]

I doubt any company would recreate a 'dust buster' scenario ever again

nVidia did with the 6800U. That thing sounds like a jet engine.

 

[remagavon]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

I doubt any company would recreate a 'dust buster' scenario ever again

nVidia did with the 6800U. That thing sounds like a jet engine.

It's not *that* loud most of the time unless you have the fan manually set to max, then it's somewhat akin to a dirt devil

 

[malG]

High MHz and dual slot for R520 means:

1. Extremely LOUD fans to cool it down
2. Inefficient GPU design similar to Prescott's high MHz but less work per cycle

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: malG
High MHz and dual slot for R520 means:

1. Extremely LOUD fans to cool it down
2. Inefficient GPU design similar to Prescott's high MHz but less work per cycle

Pure speculation.

 

[jazzboy]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: malG
High MHz and dual slot for R520 means:

1. Extremely LOUD fans to cool it down
2. Inefficient GPU design similar to Prescott's high MHz but less work per cycle

Pure speculation.

Well at the end of the day if its hot then that could, and I mean only could, be because ATI is having to up the speeds higher than they had originaly intended to compete with Nvidia and therefore the card is having to draw much more power.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: jazzboy

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: malG
High MHz and dual slot for R520 means:

1. Extremely LOUD fans to cool it down
2. Inefficient GPU design similar to Prescott's high MHz but less work per cycle

Pure speculation.

Well at the end of the day if its hot then that could, and I mean only could, be because ATI is having to up the speeds higher than they had originaly intended to compete with Nvidia and therefore the card is having to draw much more power.

Or it COULD mean that the new design ended up being able to clock much higher than anticipated, so ATI is passing along the extra performance to its consumers.


Until we see some preview/reviews, it's all speculation. I didn't see any links from malG proving his assertion, so I called it what it was.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: malG
High MHz and dual slot for R520 means:

1. Extremely LOUD fans to cool it down
2. Inefficient GPU design similar to Prescott's high MHz but less work per cycle

Pure speculation.

So is your speculation of his speculation. And mine of yours. Vicious cycle it is.

Oh yeah. So it's dual slot. Big deal. Been there, done that. Nothing new. I had a 5900Ultra that offered me no hinderances. Noise included.