R520 to be AGP and PCIE??

[imported_TheRipper]

I know, rumor mill stuff but this might make one person happy so I'll post it.

Scummy Inquirer Link.

 

[Newfie]

"THROUGH THE WONDERS of Airport Wireless LAN powered with Centrino marchitecture we learned that the next generation ATI part R520 chip codenamed Fudo will get an AGP version as well."

Wow, great source.

 

[zendari]

If they release an AGP they have a huge advantage since Nvidia isn't doing so.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Newfie
"THROUGH THE WONDERS of Airport Wireless LAN powered with Centrino marchitecture we learned that the next generation ATI part R520 chip codenamed Fudo will get an AGP version as well."

Wow, great source.

or advertising

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: zendari
If they release an AGP they have a huge advantage since Nvidia isn't doing so.

I doubt it. Most of the high end adopters are on PCIe already.

 

[imported_TheRipper]

Originally posted by: Newfie
"THROUGH THE WONDERS of Airport Wireless LAN powered with Centrino marchitecture we learned that the next generation ATI part R520 chip codenamed Fudo will get an AGP version as well."

Wow, great source.

Yep, one of the best there is. LOL

I honestly think ATI will release the AGP version. If they do it will force the hand. I really don't care at this point because if I do buy a replacement for my 6800GT I'll replace my board. I am not going to continue to lag behind but there are people that are interested in staying AGP.

I'll wait until the smoke clears and make a decision later on. I just bought the 6800GT less than 6 months ago when my x800xt pe bit the dust. I was still on an Athlon XP 3200+ at the time I bought the card so I really had no choice as I didn't have the cash for a whole machine + a vid card.

I am getting tired and staying broke trying to keep up with tech. I don't even know whether or not I'll do a card this generation or not. It depends on whether I start hurting card wise I guess.

 

[Newfie]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Newfie
"THROUGH THE WONDERS of Airport Wireless LAN powered with Centrino marchitecture we learned that the next generation ATI part R520 chip codenamed Fudo will get an AGP version as well."

Wow, great source.

or advertising

Hahhaa, I cant believe i did not realize that and this was typed THROUGH THE WONDERS of a nvidia geforce 2 mx!!

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: zendari
If they release an AGP they have a huge advantage since Nvidia isn't doing so.

its no advantage, nv will just announce plans to bridge to agp too.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: zendari
If they release an AGP they have a huge advantage since Nvidia isn't doing so.

I doubt it. Most of the high end adopters are on PCIe already.

See I just don't understand that statement..

Is the 6800GT/Ultra x800 x850 not considered high end?

Those are definitely very popular in AGP..

There is no way in hell I am dropping my very SOLID nforce 3 board just to get a PCI-E card that offers no benefit.


I am pretty confident, one way or another that we will see 32piped AGP cards..

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: zendari
If they release an AGP they have a huge advantage since Nvidia isn't doing so.

I doubt it. Most of the high end adopters are on PCIe already.

That's exactly what Nvidia wants you to think. And wow is it working. Look at those Nvidia chipset sales rocket!

 

[hans030390]

i'll believe it if it happens.

I dont know if the 7 series will come to AGP though...dont they need some thing on them that they dont have...nvm....

 

[BFG10K]

Is so it'd be a smart move from ATi as AGP customers would have access to their high-end stuff.

 

[jr9k]

That's exactly what Nvidia wants you to think. And wow is it working. Look at those Nvidia chipset sales rocket!

Exactly. Nvidia wants you to buy a new mobo with your graphics card(s), as high-end gaming right now means NF4 + AMD64 + 7800GTX. Two out of three parts are made by nvidia. (three out of four if you go SLI)

There will probably be an AGP version, but not until there's some competition from ATI.

 

[rise]

exactly, nv said they'd bridge to agp if there was demand. well, surrendering such a huge market to ati would meet that demand

nv already has the bridge but i wonder how well it will work with the 7800's. i only experienced the 6600gt bridge and i think it sucked.

at any rate, at least this will push both companies to offer some agp cards for thpse using agp.

 

[apoppin]

Both ATI and nVidia will offer their highest-end cards in AGP this year . . . despite nVidia's misdirection . . . they are milking a HUGE Cash Cow :Q
[you] :shocked:

:roll:

edit

of course nVidia still says it has no plans to bring out an AGP-7600gts . . . no plans until r520 starts kicking GTX butt
:roll:

i guess their reasoning is that the OEMS are all PCIe by now.

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: bjc112

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: zendari
If they release an AGP they have a huge advantage since Nvidia isn't doing so.

I doubt it. Most of the high end adopters are on PCIe already.

I am pretty confident, one way or another that we will see 32piped AGP cards..

I don't doubt it. I just don't think they'll result in "a huge advantage" for either company, and I don't think NV will have problems if they don't release AGP.

Originally posted by: Regs

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: zendari
If they release an AGP they have a huge advantage since Nvidia isn't doing so.

I doubt it. Most of the high end adopters are on PCIe already.

That's exactly what Nvidia wants you to think. And wow is it working. Look at those Nvidia chipset sales rocket!

AFAIK Nvidia's reports of huge Nforce 4 sales were during the heyday of the GeForce 6 series....which had *AGP* across the whole line. Meaning people converted then, not now.

And, of course, if they don't go AGP this time around, that is just going to speed the transition along, which is for the best.

 

[imported_X]

See I just don't understand that statement..

Is the 6800GT/Ultra x800 x850 not considered high end?

By the time the R520 is released, with the 7800 Ultra waiting in the wings, I would no longer consider the cards you mentioned high end. Also, with the increasing popularity of SLI and Xfire boards, more enthusiasts are likely to be going with PCI-E anyway.

It wouldn't surprise me if ATI decided not to go AGP for their top next gen cards. Maybe for the mid-lower cards though.

 

[Creig]

Here is the most recent ATI roadmap I've found. It shows both PCI-E and AGP for their next gen cards.

ATI 2005 Roadmap

 

[vision33r]

I find some of the AGP elistists interesting..

Never occurred to me that people fight about video cards and AGP slots? Oh, c'mon the most retarded things I ever read by geeks.

A lot of you guys think that the next R520 AGP will be your savior from all this Nvidia PCI-E, have you seen benchmarks of ATI X800 XL in AGP with the bridge? It was abysmal.

If both 7800/R520 are designed natively for PCI-E, no way in hell I will pay for an AGP part that is hurting performance.

Not to mention, most folks still with AGP mobos are gonna be CPU limited since many of the new games will require a faster CPU.

If you like your AGP, stick with X850PE or 6800U, they are gonna be dirt cheap soon.

 

[nRollo]

This will make Humey happy in any case!


For me, I've cut the AGP cord and will only have nForce 4 SLI in my house as soon as I get some time to build. Time moves on, and AGP days are past.

With SLI boards at $140 and falling, I don't see any reason anyone shouldn't at least have the option.

 

[imported_TheRipper]

Originally posted by: vision33r


Not to mention, most folks still with AGP mobos are gonna be CPU limited since many of the new games will require a faster CPU.

If you like your AGP, stick with X850PE or 6800U, they are gonna be dirt cheap soon.

I am no more CPU limited than 95% of the machines you folks are running. There are faster chips than mine but my chip is still lower high end and it is running on an AGP board.

Now personally if I buy a $600-$700 graphics card I am going to buy a motherboard and go PCI express. The whole point of this thread is to point out that ATI will make an AGP version of the R520 and I do believe that the move will force Nvidia to port to AGP also.

Not everybody has a PCI express board and some of the high end Pentium systems are also running AGP.

I posted a rumor and Creig pretty much confirmed it with the roadmap. The whole purpose of the thread was to just point out that if you really aren't ready to buy a board you will not be forced to.

As far as the AGP version being slower??? Maybe by a hair, maybe. The X850XT PE AGP is a real dog isn't it?

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: TheRipper

Originally posted by: vision33r


Not to mention, most folks still with AGP mobos are gonna be CPU limited since many of the new games will require a faster CPU.

If you like your AGP, stick with X850PE or 6800U, they are gonna be dirt cheap soon.

I am no more CPU limited than 95% of the machines you folks are running. There are faster chips than mine but my chip is still lower high end and it is running on an AGP board.

Now personally if I buy a $600-$700 graphics card I am going to buy a motherboard and go PCI express. The whole point of this thread is to point out that ATI will make an AGP version of the R520 and I do believe that the move will force Nvidia to port to AGP also.

Not everybody has a PCI express board and some of the high end Pentium systems are also running AGP.

I posted a rumor and Creig pretty much confirmed it with the roadmap. The whole purpose of the thread was to just point out that if you really aren't ready to buy a board you will not be forced to.

As far as the AGP version being slower??? Maybe by a hair, maybe. The X850XT PE AGP is a real dog isn't it?

the lower question is really artifically created. remember how nvidia downclocked the 6600gt's memory by 100mhz to make the 6600gt pci-e seem faster?

 

[gotsmack]

I wonder if the refreshed R520 core will get agp. I'm going to need to upgrade my vidoecard next late next year and would love to pick up a cheap agp card to keep up with the games.

I'm not going to upgrade my mobo beacuse I've figured out that it's cheapest to buy in at the middle of the life cycle and upgrade at the very end.

 

[thegimp03]

I just upgraded to an x850xt from a 6800nu. With the games I play and resolutions I play at I can't see myself upgrading to pci-e for at least another year or so. At least then the only things I'll have to buy are a new psu, mobo, and vidcard.

 

[CP5670]

It's a good thing AGP cards will still be around. I will probably get Athlon X2 and a new video card around the end of the year but stick them into my existing A8V board, as the NF4 PCIE boards have no real advantages apart from SLI. I'm actually not entirely happy with my 6800GT's performance on newer games (can only do 1280x960 smoothly with no AA/AF in most cases, 1024x768 if AA or HDR is on; I guess it's actually older than it seems as I have had it for almost a year) but it is certainly serviceable for the rest of the year.