R520 (ATI next gen) delayed

[nRollo]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23097

Bad news for waiting gamers in general. (the wait just got LONGER)

Of note:

Even if ATI launches the R520 next month, Nvidia will still beat it with its two 6800 Ultra cards, so what ATI really needs is that Multi VPU.

So like I've always said, those wanting next gen performance can have it now.

 

[Amplifier]

SLI 7 series *drool*

 

[Amplifier]

Oh yeah, and F U ATI. I have the money set aside right now to buy your stupid R520 but I might just go SLI when I need to upgrade...

 

[otispunkmeyer]

to be fair, announcing that it will be delayed is better than just paper launching it and hoping that 1 or 2 chips will drop out the factory to sell......to dell probably

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Amplifier
SLI 7 series *drool*

But...but....AMR gives you the ability to match your comparatively slow X800 card to a fast R520 card, and thereby slow down the R520card to X800 AMR level! And it has the long defunct dongle!

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
to be fair, announcing that it will be delayed is better than just paper launching it and hoping that 1 or 2 chips will drop out the factory to sell......to dell probably

QFT

 

[mrc777]

delaying products of a month or two is not something very surprising...

 

[biostud]

We only have the Inq's word that a SLI setup is faster than the R520, and I think 2x6800Ultra might use a bit more juice and hopefully cost a lot more than the R520 when it's launched.

 

[Genx87]

Doesnt surprise me. Both Nvidia and ATI want to move the product cycle out to 18-24 months vs the 12 months they have been doing for the past 5-7 years.

It is probably better for ATI to not paper launch again like they did with the X800 series. What did it take 8 months for upplies to become available in quantity enough to supply the demand?

Might as well save the black eye and launch when Nvidia launches which I believe is in the Fall also.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Amplifier
SLI 7 series *drool*

But...but....AMR gives you the ability to match your comparatively slow X800 card to a fast R520 card, and thereby slow down the R520card to X800 AMR level! And it has the long defunct dongle!

Confirmed details of ATi's unreleased AMR straight from Rollo's mouth!

 

[rgreen83]

Since when was theinq considered a credible source? And while you can use cards from different generations and all manner of other variations, your faster card will not sync with the slower one. Ati's solution does not work in a sync as nvidias do, that it why the master/slave relationship.

It has been suggested (by theinq, since they are credible now) that ati's amr may even include integrated graphics, is ati gonna slow your r480 or r520 down to the speed of an integrated solution just to enable amr? I doubt it.

 

[Munky]

Well, even if it is delayed, it's no surprise. I'm used to stuff being delayed in the hw/sw industry (GT4 got delayed how many times?), and I'd be REALLY surprised if the G70 or whatever they call it does not get delayed. Eh, maybe they figured out that 32 virtual pipes is not as good as 32 real pipes. Anyway, it's still better than paper launching the thing.

 

[Killrose]

Maybe (2) X850XT's in AMR will beat (2) 6800 Ultras in SLI? then it really won't matter about R520 delay's will it? of course, we have no AMR benches any way's And though the inquirer has been pretty good as of late on thier insider news, they could still be wrong.

I think we were all expecting a R520 paper launch any how weren't we? :evil:

 

[PrayForDeath]

Thanks for the link Rollo.
Interesting news, and I totally agree with otispunkmeyer on the delay vs paper launch thing.
But Rollo, I must say you should not jump to conclusions on AMR and R520 speed.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Amplifier
SLI 7 series *drool*

But...but....AMR gives you the ability to match your comparatively slow X800 card to a fast R520 card, and thereby slow down the R520card to X800 AMR level! And it has the long defunct dongle!

Isnt the master/slave thing supposed to solve that problem? I know that when you run a parallel program on multiple machines of different speed, if you implement load balancing the slower one will not pull down the faster one with it. Unless Ati is really dumb, I'm sure they would have thought of that.

Also, another thing to worry about is the different feature sets of the cards, like mixing a sm3 card with a sm2 one. In this case, they would have a problem if they combined them in the traditional SLI way, but since AMR doesnt have to run on identical cards (supposedly, hence the master/slave model) you could have the newer card doing all the shaders with sm3, and the older one doing other tasks, such as vertex transformations, lighting calculations, and whetever else that's not dependent on sm3. Granted, such a setup will require an advanced driver to handle the situations, and it might just be too costly to implement, but it's not impossible.

Bottom line, if SLI could run 2 different cards at the same time, it would be a more viable option, since you're not limiting yourself to one generation of cards. Whether or not AMR can do this effectively remains to be seen.

 

[Killrose]

Now that I've actually read thru the inquirer article , they pretty much state that R520 is "acording to sources" ready to go and that it is really a marketing strategy holding R520 back. This is way different than a hold back of product from a technical problem.

I would not put too much back-patting into being right either. Ati might be waiting to make sure they can overwhelm the market with R520 like they have done with the X800XL, putting the paper launch accusations in the past.

 

[biostud]

Actually I would like a paper launch and an actual release date, so we can see if it's worth waiting for.

 

[Dman877]

Who the fvck cares? there isn't a game out right now that either ATI or Nvidia can't handle with ease...

SLI is only good for benchmarks at this point in time anyway...

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Dman877
Who the fvck cares? there isn't a game out right now that either ATI or Nvidia can't handle with ease...

SLI is only good for benchmarks at this point in time anyway...

Umm try playing SS: Chaos Theory or Far Cry or Half Life 2 or DIII with all settings and resolution maxed. That is also excluding 2048x1536 resolutions. The only way to handle those games at that quality is SLI at the moment.

-Kevin

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: biostud
We only have the Inq's word that a SLI setup is faster than the R520, and I think 2x6800Ultra might use a bit more juice and hopefully cost a lot more than the R520 when it's launched.

it's the Inq's speculation.

, , ,it's evidently an ATI marketing decvision . . .

and r520 no longer looks that impressive.
:disgust:

wait?!? . . . so what?! . . . there aren't ANY next gen games out yet.
:roll:

 

[Sithtiger]

Originally posted by: Rollo
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23097

Bad news for waiting gamers in general. (the wait just got LONGER)

Of note:

Even if ATI launches the R520 next month, Nvidia will still beat it with its two 6800 Ultra cards, so what ATI really needs is that Multi VPU.

So like I've always said, those wanting next gen performance can have it now.

I was thinking about going back to nVidia and it looks like I'll definitely be doing it since they are "supposed" to releasing the G70 (GeForce 7800?) well before ATI does. We all know how fickle release dates are in the computer industry now don't we.

 

[imported_X]

If Nvidia pulls the G70 out of a hat before the Fall, you can count on ATI doing the same with R520.

 

[Sentential]

Sounds like there are serious issues with 90nm. Not suprising, they should have known better than to do something that stupid.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: X
If Nvidia pulls the G70 out of a hat before the Fall, you can count on ATI doing the same with R520.

the whole point is that nVidia doesn't have to and ATI is also waiting to see what nVidia will do (whilerrushing to get their own "SLI" ready).

Who is gonna show their hand first?
:Q

ANYway, i don't have the spare cash and there are't any new games that i can't play at "my" resolutions . . . it's a BIG "so what?!" from me.

NO one but intel and amd are doing "anything" with 90nm - this year, at least

 

[Ackmed]

Threads like this is why the Inq is around. If nobody believed their "news" and didnt spread it around as the truth, they would get tired of hearing themselves talk.