R420 Shows up at IDF

[klah]

http://www.beyond3d.com/#news10364

ATI demonstrated a demo of the upcoming, DirectX9 heavy title, Colin McRae Rally 4 on R420, which was quoted as running at 2 - 3 time faster than present DirectX9 capable hardware. We contacted ATI to verify if this was R420 and they stated that they had demonstrated the title running on their future "Next Generation Hardware" which is as good an confirmation of this being R420 as you can get.

 

[Blastman]

Here are some Colin McRae Rally 3 benches on a few current cards? zdnet.de

 

[ronnn]

Being Canadian I would like to think this is true and ATI will be able to compete with the next generation Nvidia cards, but I doubt it. The hype makes the new Nvidia cards sound very good, which is unfortunate as Nvidia cards seem to be much more expensive here.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

what hype?

 

[Viper96720]

Originally posted by: ronnn
Being Canadian I would like to think this is true and ATI will be able to compete with the next generation Nvidia cards, but I doubt it. The hype makes the new Nvidia cards sound very good, which is unfortunate as Nvidia cards seem to be much more expensive here.

Huh ATI is already competitive why would it change in a year. Nvidia is the one having to catch up now.

 

[rbV5]

Bummer about ATI's demonstration of their HDTV editing, probably not where you want that to happen. Sounds like the fan failure wasn't the cards fan however.

 

[BoomAM]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
what hype?

Exactely. I havnt heard no hype.

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: Viper96720

Originally posted by: ronnn
Being Canadian I would like to think this is true and ATI will be able to compete with the next generation Nvidia cards, but I doubt it. The hype makes the new Nvidia cards sound very good, which is unfortunate as Nvidia cards seem to be much more expensive here.

Huh ATI is already competitive why would it change in a year. Nvidia is the one having to catch up now.

Why wouldn't it? Nvidia became "second tier" almost instantly after r300 came out. In the graphics world, players slide in and out of first place all the time.

 

[Gagabiji]

Talk about hype, I remember when the GeForce FX line was going to bash the R300, and the 9700 Pro still owned...I have to say nVidia deserves this after beating ATi for so many years.

 

[Insomniak]

Meh, I don't think anyone deserves diddly. If you produce a card better for my needs than the other guys, I'll buy the card. Right now, I'm still on a GeForce 4 Ti, which I feel is still plenty powerful for everything currently out. I plan to upgrade sometime this summer though, provided the games I'm waiting on (Half Life 2 mostly) actually make it out the door.

I am very interested in seeing what NV40 and R420 have to offer though - namely what Nvidia has done to quell the problems with the FX line, and what ATi has done to improve it's prodcuts.

Man, between the video industry, PCI-Express, and 64 bit desktop processing, it's going to be a VERY interesting year in hardware.

 

[akshayt]

Can i expect 30fps with colin with my 17ghz willamette,768mb sd 133p4 ram and 128mb radeon 9800pro sapphire

 

[KillaKilla]

Originally posted by: akshayt
Can i expect 30fps with colin with my 17ghz willamette,768mb sd 133p4 ram and 128mb radeon 9800pro sapphire

Colin? Wha? you got a willmette to 17 Ghz? I want cold fusion too!

If anything you probobly need a new CPU/MB/RAM set- maybe $500?

But I'd still wait for HL2 before upgrading, I figure that it's powerful enough for current games (I have a 2.0a, 1024 PC-133, Ti4600(4x), it runs most stuff fine.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I don't keep up with graphics tech, so was this a native PCI-E card? They also mention 2-3times faster, are they indicating that FPS was no less than 2x faster at the slowest part of the game and 3x faster@fastest, or is this a "take our word for it" estimation based on internal tests@ATI?

 

[Matthias99]

It's unclear from the article if they mean that "R420 runs 2-3 times faster than present DX9-capable hardware" or "Colin McRae Rally runs 2-3 times faster on R420 than on present DX9-capable hardware".

It's fairly irrelevant, though, as it's all marketing BS until someone can run their own benchmarks on it and publish real-world performance numbers.

Oh, and R420 is an AGP 4x/8x card. The R423 is the PCI-E version.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Oh, and R420 is an AGP 4x/8x card. The R423 is the PCI-E version.

Thanks for the info :beer: So will it come in AGP and PCI-E bridge chip flavors or just AGP?

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Oh, and R420 is an AGP 4x/8x card. The R423 is the PCI-E version.

Thanks for the info :beer: So will it come in AGP and PCI-E bridge chip flavors or just AGP?

ATI isn't going to offer bridge chips, either AGP or native PCI-E.

 

[zephyrprime]

I've heard some of the hype from nvidia if that's what you're talking about but hype from the company itself is useless. Remember how great the fx30 was supposed to be according to nvidia?

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
I've heard some of the hype from nvidia if that's what you're talking about but hype from the company itself is useless. Remember how great the fx30 was supposed to be according to nvidia?

You are probably right, as both companies do seem to have made some extravagant claims. Still the Nvidia cards seem to have more pipelines, transistors and the such (not that I have any idea what they do). Hope both companies have taken heat into account - as my current setup heats a cold room in winter.

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
I've heard some of the hype from nvidia if that's what you're talking about but hype from the company itself is useless. Remember how great the fx30 was supposed to be according to nvidia?

Wait, NV30 was bad???!?!?!?!11!!

 

[nRollo]

Remember how great the fx30 was supposed to be according to nvidia?

The nV30 offered double the AA/AF performance of it's predecessor, better non AA/AF performance than it's competitor, and only slightly worse AA/AF performance than it's competitor.

Yeah it was the worst thing ever, only the second best gaming card on the planet at the time. I can see why you mock it, I imagine all of your work is always the best on the planet, and we'd all know your real name.

 

[VIAN]

See, anyone who didn't believe me that this one was going to be a big increase in power can eat their words.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Remember how great the fx30 was supposed to be according to nvidia?

The nV30 offered double the AA/AF performance of it's predecessor, better non AA/AF performance than it's competitor, and only slightly worse AA/AF performance than it's competitor.

Yeah it was the worst thing ever, only the second best gaming card on the planet at the time. I can see why you mock it, I imagine all of your work is always the best on the planet, and we'd all know your real name.

I do not remember Nvidia stating that the nV30 was the "second best" card? Any links?

 

[SneakyStuff]

Originally posted by: VIAN
See, anyone who didn't believe me that this one was going to be a big increase in power can eat their words.

Sure

 

[VIAN]

If it was possible to search the hundreds of threads I already posted to, then you could see, but there are too many and I don't wanna bother. Next pay attention to me.

 

[Pete]

Rollo, you forgot to mention that the 5800U also had the best--er, biggest HSF ever.