R350 to outperform NV30

[Gog]

According to the Inquirer (which despite what most people say, is quite reliable) the R350 will outpeformed the NV30 on 8 out of 10 tests.

We heard that ATI's R350 will beat Geforce FX in eight out of 10 benchmarks, and we learned that one of benchmarks they will lose will be Quake 3. This could be true since the R350 will have 6Gb/Sec memory bandwidth more than the 9700 Pro.

Here is the link.

Wow, I really wouldn't be saying anything original by saying that Nvidia realy screwed up... but to the extent it did so. The fact that the R350 at 400/800 would be able to outperform the NV30 at 500/1000 shows that the ATi design is a more efficient and smarter design. Did Nvidia make a big mistake by attempting to incorporate 3dfx's tech?

 

[SFang]

Originally posted by: Gog Did Nvidia make a big mistake by attempting to incorporate 3dfx's tech?

At least havn't heard 3dfx's tech helped Nvidia in any way yet. Nice to see ATI comes back and stays on top after all these years.

 

[alen1234]

Any time a new architecture is released to market it doesn't run old code as well as the current tech. I'd like to see how well the Geforce FX will run games that will be released next holiday season. The same thing happened when Geforce256 came on the market. Nothing out there had any code to take advantage of the GPU capabilities and so it didn't run existing code any faster. Now try to run a GPU optimized game on a card with no GPU.

 

[SickBeast]

i think nvidia only bought out 3dfx to get rid of a competitor in the 3d marketplace. i think they did borrow some of their antialiasing techniques tho.

the r350 is exciting...the rv350 should be cool too...it's the mainstream chip.

i think if nvidia would give the gffx a 256bit memory bus they would take the performance crown away from ati. 128bit on a card that advanced seems studid to me.

 

[rbV5]

Cool, a paper product beat a yet unreleased product....in 8 of 10 tests no less. WooHoo

 

[tart666]

Originally posted by: rbV5
Cool, a paper product beat a yet unreleased product....in 8 of 10 tests no less. WooHoo

hehe
btw, you mean an unreleased card beat a paper card, right?

 

[Lonyo]

The R350 has been taped out hasn't it? It's just a faster R300, so they should be able to at least estimate how much better than the 9700 cards it'll be and therefore can go with GF FX benches against' 9700 and see it'll be better than the FX.

 

[Killrose]

I'm just going to watch these (2) cards battle it out and drool. I'm more than happy with my 9500 haxzored to 9700+.

 

[dguy6789]

the geforce fx would have been a more powerful card then the 9700pro if it had 256 bit bus. the fact that it uses 128 bit bus splits the bandwith it could have had in half, a 256 bit geforce fx would have over 30GB/s of real bandwith, too bad though, the radeon 9700 pro will out perform the geforce fx at higher res with AA, but the fx i belive will be faster at less bandwith intensive stuff.

 

[BFG10K]

I don't think anyone here is the least bit surprised by the fact that the R350 will be faster than the FX. I think we'll see the same leapfrog game from the two companies for at least the rest of this year.

 

[daywalker]

The Geforce FX is a brand new technology that will show its power on its NEXT incarnations and not its current ones. Architecture-wise, its a work of art.

But performance wise... it isnt worth it when you have ATI offering you a card with simillar performance and MUCH lower price.

Sorry Nvidia. You lost this round.... but not the war

 

[Viper96720]

When are they going to get rid of quake3 as a benchmark? There must be something that's harder on the video card. Almost all modern cards can run it just fine. Don't care if one is 300fps and another is at 280fps or something like that.

 

[TheWart]

Originally posted by: Viper96720
When are they going to get rid of quake3 as a benchmark? There must be something that's harder on the video card. Almost all modern cards can run it just fine. Don't care if one is 300fps and another is at 280fps or something like that.

word

 

[SickBeast]

first week of march...wow...now i'm definately going to hold off buying a video card for a bit.

seriously though, i think nvidia is in a fair bit of trouble. they still have a competetive part in the gffx, but they aren't the "graphzilla" that they once were. i have a feeling that they won't even take the performance crown from ati for even a week or so.

 

[Viper96720]

Doom 3 where are you?

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: daywalker
The Geforce FX is a brand new technology that will show its power on its NEXT incarnations and not its current ones. Architecture-wise, its a work of art.

R300 was brand new technology. It was a work of art. And it killed the current king, and looks to compete well next round too.

 

[SickBeast]

R350 is also new technology. sorry nvidia.

 

[Gog]

As others have posted, once Doom III comes out it will probably replace Q3 as the benchmark app.

And concerning all this talk of the NV30 showing its true prowess in future apps, I really doubt it. For it to do so it would require software developers to actually use CG in their programs. Even thou CG is supposed to work with all gfx cards out there, it would probably only bring a significant boost in performance in NV30 and post NV30 based cards. I have a feeling nvidia won't be selling enough of these cards (b/c of availablity and competition from ATi) for developers to consider implementing features that only this card would be able to perform well.

Although nvidia cards (for the time being) probably have a greater market share I have a feeling that the tables have turned for the long term when it comes to who dominates the area of performance cards.

 

[Leon]

The fact that the R350 at 400/800 would be able to outperform the NV30 at 500/1000 shows that the ATi design is a more efficient and smarter design

Let's twist is the other way. The fact that GeForce FX will outperform Radeon 9700, despite having 16Gb of bandwidth vs 19.6Gb on Radeon 9700 (128bit 500Mhz DDRII vs 256bit 310Mhz DDR) shows that Nvidia design is more efficient and smarter one.

 

[epicstruggle]

Concerning Doom 3 replacing Q3 as a benchmark. There are rumours that John Carmack migh make the game have a fixed number of frames per second. I like the ideas as it places more weight in other matters like image quality and not fps. who really cares about 300 fps vs 280 fps.

later

 

[nRollo]

This just in:
P5 to be faster than P4!

Hammer to be faster than Athlon!

You heard it hear first.

 

[Mem]

When are they going to get rid of quake3 as a benchmark?

Probably when Quake 4 is out ,as for the ATI R350 that`s no surprise,I`m more curious about the NV40 or whatever it will be called, remember no video card remains top dog for long.

 

[stockspeedsrule]

Originally posted by: Rollo
This just in:
P5 to be faster than P4!

Hammer to be faster than Athlon!

You heard it hear first.

LOL, exactly. I dont think its fair to compare a next gen product to a "near" current generation product coz if it aint signifacantly faster, its not worth upgrading to, which in turn means its a piece of crap, and neither nVIDIA nor ATI can afford such a tag being pulled on to their products in the market today. Just look at the atmosphere out there, just one missed product cycle has put nVIDIA in quite a lot of trouble for a company having everything right since, well, the RIVA TNT. Isnt it?

 

[daywalker]

Originally posted by: Mem
remember no video card remains top dog for long.

Oh please. Nvidia has been a "top dog" for about 5 years, killing us with its monopoly.

And im happy that its all in the past now. Go ATI.

 

[majewski9]

In my mind there is no real reason to buy a Nvidia card right now. ATI owns the top high end! They got the best card in the near top end of the market performance/price ratio with the 9500. The bottom low end they rule with the 9000. All of Nvidia's offerings the TI 4600, TI 4200, and the GFMX series are far inferior to the ATI solutions. Not only that but the ATI solutions are cheaper other than the 9700 series. Why buy a Nvidia card? I can buy a 9500 128 meg card for 160$ and even without modding it or ocing it is still better than anything Nvidia has @ 160.

At least Nvidia is doing real well in the Athlon chipset market!