R300 on August 10th and will be called R9XXX according to...

NicColt

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VR-Zone ATi will announce their R300 on 10th of August and will be known as R9XXX. RV250 will be known as R8800 on July 17th and RV280 will be launched in Q4.

350Mhz Clock speed

400Mhz Memory speed

0.15 micron

107 million transistors

150 million triangles/s

8 pipelines

Dual RAMDAC

DirectX 9 support

HyperZ III
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Damm this looks nice, now where's my AIW-R9000
 

Athlon4all

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Those specs seem fairly realistic the only thing is the 350MHz core clock, I seriously cannot believe ATi could gtet that high with such a complex chip with a .15um process.
 

BlvdKing

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I can't believe it either. Matrox Parhelia is 80 million transistors @ .15 micron and I have heard it is only capable of 200 - 220 MHz. I bet the R300 is going to be .13 micron.
 

sxr7171

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I heard that it isn't easy to implement full Directx9 capability without going to .13 micron, so you may be right. I've noticed that nobody has commented on the memory clock speed. It looks a little low.
 

Wag

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And the drivers will still suck.

Sorry, but I'm still waiting for functional drivers for my 8500 8 months later. In fact many of the features that worked before are now broken under the new "improved" Catalyst drivers.

The forthcoming Matrox products are starting to look very attractive to me...
 

sMashPiranha

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I read somewhere that they are going to release the first R300's as 0.15 micron and move to 0.13 later on. I guess this lets them get a head start on nVidia?
 

BFG10K

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The R9xxx name is a given since it's exactly in line with ATi's naming scheme - in this case for a DirectX 9 board. Also the RV250 being called the 8800 is also a given given it's supposed to be faster than the 8500. Nothing suprising there.

What surprises me is the 10 August release date and the claimed 350 MHz core clock.
 

spanky

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Sorry, but I'm still waiting for functional drivers for my 8500 8 months later

i'm sorry to hear that. my 8500 is and has been working fine since i got it 3 months ago.
 

Wag

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Well, everyone uses their computers for different things, and since I use mine for light gaming and Home Theater use, ATI fails miserably on the later.

As with every ATI product, it looks great on paper, but they just can't seem to implement the features in the drivers properly. Prime example is the fact they fixed a problem with the pre-catalyst drivers that prevented you from usign a Non DDC (P&P) equiped output (in my case, an HDTV w/RGB input). So with the Catalyst drivers theyadded the DDC check back, making it useless for home theater use. The long promised component dongle is a joke, forcing 480p output on DVDs, and disabling the other outputs when is use.
 

nitrousninja

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I'm still trying to figure out why you'd ever use a computer for home theatre. If you can afford an HDTV you can afford a DVD player and DD\DTS receiver.
 

sxr7171

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Wag, I understand your problem with ATI driver situation and HTPC use. They took a good 8 months to enable to enable overlay gamma adjustments on the card. There was no way to get 0 ire without adjusting gamma. Anyway try www.avsforum.com and click on HTPC for fellow HTPC users that are facing similar issues and have come up with good solutions.

NitousNinja,

This is taken directly from:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?threadid=31877&perpage=999


"Here are some common advantages of a HTPC, especially on a high resolution progressive scan display (such as a Big Screen Computer or HDTV Display):





DVD player: Scaling-capable progressive scan player with aspect ratio control capability!

Line Doubler/Scaler: Using a computer as a line doubler or scaler for analog video sources!

CD Player: High quality 100% digital setups are possible, to make it sound like an audiophile CD player!

MP3 Jukebox: Songs, songs, as far as the eye can see in all 4 directions, all in one box!

Digital photos: High resolution slideshow viewer. Digital photos are *AMAZING* on the big screen! See this article.

Videogames: Superior to a PlayStation or N64. Imagine Star Wars Racer at 1024x768 at 60 frames per second, versus N64's 320x240 at 30 frames per second!

Internet: Some people like to switch to the big screen for some Internet surfing. Normally not a primary Internet display, but it can be a LOT of fun to surf some websites on the big screen!

Movie Trailers: Did you know that some cable modem trailers at QuickTime.com are now 640 pixels wide and better than VHS quality? See these trailers in near-DVD quality even before they show in the local movie theaters!



Some people use a HTPC just to do only 1 or 2 of the above. Others like to do all the above. Some people don't even use a HTPC for DVD, although DVD is an obvious advantage of a HTPC. DVD picture quality from a HTPC can be better looking than the picture from a Faroudja 3000 in certain ways, especially with a HTPC at 120Hz vertical refresh rate on a high-quality display!

New readers may be interested to know that some new computer video and sound cards provide a lot of flexibility. Such as the ability to do custom screen resolutions in 1-pixel increments, making it possible to use a HTPC at high resolution on a HDTV set or a 16:9 projection display without distorted images. And 24/96 digital audio is now possible from a HTPC these days.

New software developments including dTV from deinterlace.sourceforge.net , make it possible to add an inexpensive TV tuner card to a PC and be able to get stunning picture quality from analog video sources connected to the back of the computer. dTV software replaces the TV viewing software normally included with the TV tuner card. Some people have reported picture quality being competitive to Faroudja at a tiny fraction of the price!

With PowerStrip software from www.entechtaiwan.com, a Matrox or nVidia powered video card (GeForce) can support custom resolutions in 1-pixel increments, even weird resolutions such as 1352x773 which makes it perfect for plasma displays and DILA projectors that demand a pixel-exact resolution for stunning results. These video cards can also be configured to do 1920x1080 with interlacing enabled - making it possible to connect a HTPC directly to a HDTV set. You can even use an Audio Authority VGA-to-YPbPr adaptor and connect the HTPC to a Toshiba HDTV set - with stunning progressive scan DVD results at 480p or 540p. Be noted that software DVD is superior to hardware DVD in progressive scan picture quality. For best results, use WinDVD or PowerDVD on a GeForce video card - this can blow away a Farouda 3000.

The above are features that exist today, right now. Upcoming features are TiVo/ReplayTV style software (PVR software) from InterVideo and Ravisent. And upcoming HDTV tuner cards to allow a HTPC to act as a HDTV settop box with builtin scaler to scale HDTV to any computer resolution!

Other than the above, what do YOU use your HTPC for?"


In short you get the quality of a very expensive Faruouja line doubler/scaler for a lot less money. With HTPC you still need to buy a DD/DTS receiver. I, personally am not to hi-end video, but I visit the site often just to perfect the quality of DVD playback on my computer (I also have a very good regular DVD player) and gain knowledge for if and when I choose to get into high-end video (after I finish up my stereo). I believe that HTPC is the cheaper solution but that it is a lot of hard work in tweaking and adjusting compared to a $20,000 - $30,000 Faroudja line doubler.
 

Wag

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All I wanted from ATI was for them to fix the gamma (which they did), but in those drivers you can't use it on an HDTV with RGB inputs. So I can't but help get the feeling they have no idea what they're doing over there.

 

NicColt

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>was for them to fix the gamma (which they did),

they did ???? from which drivers did they fix this in.
 

Wag

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The gamma problems are fixed in the Catalyst drivers, but as I said there is no non DDC monitor support.
 

lifeguard1999

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I wonder if Dell will have their deal again, or did they learn their lesson last time.

For those who do not remember, most retail 8500s went for $275 originally. OEMs went for about $230. Dell had a retail 8500 for $200, and was swamped with orders.
 

NicColt

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>Do the forthcoming Matrox products still look attractive?

according to Hardocp they are not that fast, in some cases %25 slower than the 8500. More to come I'm sure.
 

Speedy3D!

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Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
The R300 looks like it could very well be an nVidia killer :) - especially if Carmack is right. :D

What about Nvidia's next gen card? ;)

 

Wag

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Yes, for Home Theater use the Matrox cards still look very attractive. Not $400 attractive, but maybe $200.

Of course all most people here think videocards are good for are gaming, and if it games halfway decently that's all I care about.
I'm more interested in DVD and overall output quality, and Matrox still has everyone else beat hands down in that dept.