Workstation apps need lots of mhz. Threadripper would be the appropriate product for Mac Pros.Obviously they won't switch to Threadripper for MP.
If anything Apple will switch to EPYC CPUs. Threadripper's can only be reserved for iMac Pro's.
Workstation apps need lots of mhz. Threadripper would be the appropriate product for Mac Pros.Obviously they won't switch to Threadripper for MP.
If anything Apple will switch to EPYC CPUs. Threadripper's can only be reserved for iMac Pro's.
They’re going to do both. They will convert their own apps such as Safari to ARM first. They will make partners like Adobe do the same. The rest will follow if they wish to stay relevant in MacOS.The funny thing about that initiative, that is supposed to run ARM apps on Mac is that they are supposed to run iOS(!) Application on MacOS, not port MacOS applications to ARM.
Lets face it. If Apple was going to move Macs to ARM, full-stop, they would launch initiative that would port current x86 apps to ARM, not port iOS Apps to x86(!).
Threadrippers have a 256gb ram limit which is significantly less than the 1.5th the current Mac Pros offer.Workstation apps need lots of mhz. Threadripper would be the appropriate product for Mac Pros.
They can’t make their partners do anything. Apple would need to make a sales pitch to Adobe and others. The two things that will matter most are sales and profits. The very same things Apple will consider when deciding to make a switch. The switch won’t be made on technical merit. Technical merit merely means that an ARM option is feasible. Bottom line is that this is a complex change for Apple and it supplies and vendors. If they hadn’t made such a change before, I would say the chance is zero (Cook is no Steve Jobs) - but they have been down this road before, so there is a chance. Apple knows the cost of such a transition - and, hence, already has a good sense of w or not it is worth it to them and ISVs as well.They’re going to do both. They will convert their own apps such as Safari to ARM first. They will make partners like Adobe do the same. The rest will follow if they wish to stay relevant in MacOS.
Macs will also gain access to every IPad app.
Apple is going ARM to unify their apps. It’s going to happen.
Why make custom ones? High frequency skus are already a thing.Threadrippers have a 256gb ram limit which is significantly less than the 1.5th the current Mac Pros offer.
Epyc makes more sense unless AMD creates a custom high frequency parts just for Apple.
3.3GHz isn't high enough.Why make custom ones? High frequency skus are already a thing.
Competitive in terms of ARM vs Intel. That post didn't take into account of AMD. On the surface it seems Apple is either going to be Intel x86 or ARM. But again Intel could be competitive with pricing even if it was against AMD.You have to be kidding. Intel has nothing competitive right now. (except the top of the line gaming cpu) Desktop, HEDT, now laptop, and server are all AMD.
1. Adobe already has virtually all of its Creative Suite working on iOS and iPad.They can’t make their partners do anything. Apple would need to make a sales pitch to Adobe and others. The two things that will matter most are sales and profits. The very same things Apple will consider when deciding to make a switch. The switch won’t be made on technical merit. Technical merit merely means that an ARM option is feasible. Bottom line is that this is a complex change for Apple and it supplies and vendors. If they hadn’t made such a change before, I would say the chance is zero (Cook is no Steve Jobs) - but they have been down this road before, so there is a chance. Apple knows the cost of such a transition - and, hence, already has a good sense of w or not it is worth it to them and ISVs as well.
I doubt Apple will bring in an outside ARM chip vendor - if they go this way, they will take their time and build a strong offering in house. It would be difficult to build a chip design that could scale from MacBook Pro and iMacs up to Mac Pros (chiplets maybe?).
7H12 ain't a high frequency sku. It's a HPC sku.3.3GHz isn't high enough.
That would get around the alleged kernel panic problem with MacOS.I think they also only go up to 32 cores for extra L3 per core.
That's an artificial limitation they can overcome (for instance with a custom chipset for mac, e g. WRX40. IMO a custom threadripper makes much more sense than custom epyc, IF apple is planning to use AMD (which IMO still seems unlikely).Threadrippers have a 256gb ram limit which is significantly less than the 1.5th the current Mac Pros offer.
Epyc makes more sense unless AMD creates a custom high frequency parts just for Apple.
One update; I'm not sure about 32 cores, whether or not it actually hit market (I could have sworn I saw a task manager sceenshot, but oh well), but most the specs of the 8 and 16 cores are already rumoured.That would get around the alleged kernel panic problem with MacOS.
Yes, it's a limit to differentiate Threadripper and Epyc. When I said "custom part", I just meant different bins with different features enabled/disabled. I didn't think AMD would have to create a different architecture for Apple.That's an artificial limitation they can overcome (for instance with a custom chipset for mac, e g. WRX40. IMO a custom threadripper makes much more sense than custom epyc, IF apple is planning to use AMD (which IMO still seems unlikely).
Why would a 16C chip have a 240W TDP at only 3.5 GHz?
Must have one hell of a boost clock then.We don't know if that's base or boost. We also don't know in what workload that frequency is rated for if it's boost.
No, I'm dumb, it is a base clock, not a boost clock.
Look at the L3$ size. It's an insane package with 8 CCDs where only one core is activated in every CCX.Why would a 16C chip have a 240W TDP at only 3.5 GHz?
The epitome of per-core performance :^PLook at the L3$ size. It's an insane package with 8 CCDs where only one core is activated in every CCX.
Safari already is ported to ARM, whats more, iPads already use DESKTOP version of Safari.They’re going to do both. They will convert their own apps such as Safari to ARM first. They will make partners like Adobe do the same. The rest will follow if they wish to stay relevant in MacOS.
Macs will also gain access to every IPad app.
Apple is going ARM to unify their apps. It’s going to happen.
Nr 3 is only your speculation. Not a fact, unless you have insider information.3. Apple will provide an x86 emulator just like they did previously when they migrated from PowerPC
4. Apple is going to switch to ARM. They'll start in 2021. Their SDK already makes it easy to build apps for iOS, iPad, and MacOS together.
Ohhh I get it. That thing could potentially boost to 4.5 GHz on every core.Look at the L3$ size. It's an insane package with 8 CCDs where only one core is activated in every CCX.
Apparently you didn't read the thread title. We are, in fact, discussing exactly what I posted about.1. Adobe already has virtually all of its Creative Suite working on iOS and iPad.
2. Adobe is also bringing their entire Creative Suite to work on Windows ARM (source)
3. Apple will provide an x86 emulator just like they did previously when they migrated from PowerPC
4. Apple is going to switch to ARM. They'll start in 2021. Their SDK already makes it easy to build apps for iOS, iPad, and MacOS together.
Whether Apple will move to ARM is no longer debated. They will. It's not a discussion.
Now we're discussing whether Apple should switch to AMD in the next year or so and for which computers.
Kuo 'believes' - it doesn't say that Kuo 'knows'? It's a research note and, almost certainly, has a caveat that this note is speculative and bears certain risks. Maybe he's right, maybe not. We do not have any concrete information at this time.Kuo believes that Arm-based processors will significantly enhance the competitive advantage of the Mac lineup, allow Apple to refresh its Mac models without relying on Intel's processor roadmap, reduce processor costs by 40 to 60 percent, and provide Macs with more hardware differentiation from Windows PCs.
They need allot of computer performance, doesn't matter how they get there. Obviously though, some sort of reasonable clock rate will be needed (3GHz? maybe, we don't really know).Workstation apps need lots of mhz. Threadripper would be the appropriate product for Mac Pros.
I meant desktop Safari which is obviously still x86. It shouldn't be too hard to port it over to ARM given that it's been ARM-compatible since the first iPhone.Safari already is ported to ARM, whats more, iPads already use DESKTOP version of Safari.
If you are so sure, about the reality that Apple will switch to ARM, I will ask you a simple question.
When can we expect that Apple will migrate their own largest, and most important creative applications to ARM: Final Cut Pro X and Logic Pro?
It is 100% relevant. Because if Apple will not port FCPX and Logic Pro to iPads - they are NOT MOVING THEIR MACS TO ARM! Its that simple. That is not how Apple works, and how Apple does things. Apple's third biggest revenue stream is rapidly becoming Services. Logic Pro is used by hundreds of thousands of musicians which are posting their music in Apple Services. Apple designed Mac Pro, and FCPX specifically for people that are in Apple ecosystem for Video Production, mainly because they want people that use AppleTV Services to also produce their films on Macs.I meant desktop Safari which is obviously still x86. It shouldn't be too hard to port it over to ARM given that it's been ARM-compatible since the first iPhone.
I'm sure Apple will switch to ARM. It's no longer debatable. Having apps work seamlessly between iOS, iPadOS, and MacOS is far more important to Apple than not pissing off a portion of their Mac userbase.
But how would I know exactly when they'll port Final Cut Prox and Logic Pro to ARM? Doesn't seem relevant.
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